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Eric Willhite
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PostTue Jan 17, 2017 3:38 am 
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I have paddled around Lake Ozette twice as a young boy scout, and hiked all 4 beach trails from the lake.  Now I want to go back for some more explorations.

These two sites are on the "Fire Lookouts of the Northwest" Lookout Inventory.  But, they are Aircraft Warning Service (AWS) sites, not used for fire.  The lookout inventory includes some AWS sites for some reason, and I don't know why.  The inventory lists Ozette Beach which is the "Bald" AWS site, and Ozette Lake which is the "South Ozette" AWS site.

South Ozette AWS Site

Bald AWS Site

1942 AWS Map
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***Thanks Rod and Tinman....I have updated the page with your information***

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PostWed Jan 18, 2017 2:32 pm 
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Bald AWS site (Kayosta Beach) - the location you identify as "Shelter shown here on 1950s and 60s maps" is confirmed by Frederick Leissler in his guidebook "Roads and Trails of Olympic National Park" (UW Press, 1957) p. 52 "An abandoned Coast Guard cabin is located at the tip of this point." which he calls Point No. 3 on his map 8.  He also notes "old Coast Guard trail... is steep and rough" over that point.

The Park's 1976 Backcountry Management Plan lists Norwegian Memorial shelter, which I assume is the same structure?  On Park shelter lists, it's location is given as "7 miles north of Mora Road" and is described as being in "good" condition and "usable", and report its roof was repaired in 1980.  Through the 1970s and 1980s, Park shelter plans vacillate, listing it alternatively for retention or removal, with no record it was ever removed.  So its logs may still be there.

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PostWed Jan 18, 2017 4:44 pm 
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Eric and Rod, the Coast Guard Cabin and the Norwegian Shelter were 2 different structures.  The Coastie Cabin was located on a point (remnants still there) about 1/2 mile south of the Starbuck Mine site.  The trail over the top of the point to the cabin site is very steep on the north side as Leissler said.

The Norwegian shelter was located on the south side of the unnamed creek south of the Norwegian Monument.  It was burned down in the late 80's or maybe early 90's.  It was a small shelter crudely constructed of beach logs but was very serviceable when burnt.

Now to complicate things more, I believe the original AWS lookout was built on the point just to the north of Cedar Creek.  See attached pictures, taken during the war.  When I first visited there in the early 80's there was still a cable handrail and steps cut out of the rock leading to where the cabin had been.  It was obvious that the rock had collapsed to the beach where the cabin had been. That point has continued to erode over the last 30+ years I have seen it.  I can surmise that the cabin was then moved to the sight south of Starbuck Creek on a more stable point.


Cedar Crk Lookout 2
Cedar Crk Lookout 2
Cedar Crk Lookout 1
Cedar Crk Lookout 1

And lastly, there was also a shelter on the north side of Cedar Creek which was also burnt in the early 90's.

Keep up the reports Eric, you are really doing a great job on research.

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PostWed Jan 18, 2017 5:45 pm 
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Tinman, those are outstanding pictures of the point and structure north of Cedar Creek.  I would agree that it must have been the AWS site, I can't imagine why you would build a structure on such an exposed area for any other purpose.  If the images were taken during the war, that would lead me to believe even more.  The AWS docs never really did nail down an exact spot.

Good thought on the possible move of the structure in later years to the Starbuck area to make use/preserve it.

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PostWed Jan 18, 2017 8:00 pm 
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Tinman, thanks for sharing the photos and your excellent clarification on the cabin vs. the shelter!  (The needless destruction of so many perfectly serviceable shelters is  frown.gif  a sad chapter in the Park's history.)

Eric, mailed you scans of Leissler's text and map, showing the cabin in its original location in 1957.

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PostWed Jan 18, 2017 8:47 pm 
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Here's a picture of the cabin taken from the old Windsox page.

http://www.windsox.us/ONP_Shelters/VI_World_War_II/1_Coastie_Head_Lookout.html

Interesting they called the old cabin site north of Cedar Crk the Starbuck lookout since the Coastie Head lookout is just south of Starbuck.  Maybe because Starbuck was a known location?

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PostWed Jan 18, 2017 9:10 pm 
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Eric, I'm a little confused about the location of the South Ozette site.  Both of the AWS maps appear to place it somewhere on Boot Bay, not the spot on the '56 USGS map with the shelter notation.  The comment on your page about the cabin being on a mountain stream would be consistent with a spot on Boot Bay near Quinn Creek's outlet.  On the other hand, it makes little sense to put an observation cabin in a little geologic pocket like that which presumably has at least a slightly impaired view toward the south end of the lake.  It's not like fresh water would have been difficult to find at the other site, either, what with the lake being omnipresent - there'd be no reason to pick a creekside location over any other candidate.

I've never laid eyes on that area of Lake Ozette and have no idea what the reality of the situation was; rather I'm curious if anyone else out there has any evidence one way or the other.  Cool findings, regardless!
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PostWed Jan 18, 2017 10:27 pm 
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Hmmm, that is disturbing, the AWS maps (as generic as they are) do show it on Boot Bay.  I was basing my guess on the document that gave the locaton at the NE1/4 of the SW1/4 of Section 22, T30N R15W. 

I showed it on the map:

But even the given STR produced a location that wasn't right on the lake.  I don't know what map they used in the 1940's to get the STR but the given STR looks wrong.  It wouldn't be the first time I found the wrong one on these AWS documents.  Many locations showed several corrections before they got it right.

If it was in Boot Bay, that would make more sense the comments made about "Following the shore of the lake to the Crooked Creek" with a phone line.  That seemed like a strange comment when you would have to take the phone line around Boot Bay.

I will have to re-look at this omitting any knowledge of the NE1/4 of the SW1/4 of Section 22.

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PostWed Jan 18, 2017 11:50 pm 
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Around 1956, us kids were messing around Yellow Banks, up on the hill.  We found a cabin apparently used for sighting military purposes.  As I recall, the cabin was perfectly fitted with stuff.  At that time, the cabin was ready to fall over the hill.   I went back years later to see if I could find any remnants, which I couldn't.  It's funny, but I can still see (in my mind) the cabin and porch overlook.  deereguy
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PostThu Jan 19, 2017 1:41 am 
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Eric Willhite wrote:
But even the given STR produced a location that wasn't right on the lake.  I don't know what map they used in the 1940's to get the STR but the given STR looks wrong.

Checking pre-war USGS and Park maps, the TRS lines are slightly shifted, but the difference is both too small (less than 1/16 mile) and is in the wrong direction to have put the AWS coordinates on the lakeshore.

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PostThu Jan 19, 2017 3:20 am 
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I've got 3 possible locations now....I think I will wait until I come across something new.  Since this is just an AWS site, I'm not so driven to nail down the exact location. 

I placed all three on the 1935 map.  It was mostly likely used for finding the Section Township and Range in 1941.   
1935 map 6 years before aws cabin construction
1935 map 6 years before aws cabin construction

Based on the generic AWS maps, and if I ignore the document that says "South Ozette" was in the NE,SW, Sec 22 T30N R15W, then I would think the location would be just north of Boot Bay.  Just as described in docs, there is a point on the lake that would make an excellent observation point.  There almost even looks like something was left in 1952.  This location best matches the "where to put the telephone line" memo.
zoom in on point
zoom in on point
Point on Boot Bay in 1952
Point on Boot Bay in 1952

The 1935 map is interesting when you reach the section 22 quarter-quarter described. This 10 acres (NE of the SW) shows a distinguished knob not matching on topo maps today.  It is always possible the observation point was on top of a knob and this site was reached by boat, then a short trail.  Saying the point is "on" Lake Ozette, from a large scale point of view, could be an interpretation.

My page is updated reflecting these changes and ideas.  Until more info comes......South Ozette Observation Post

Three locations on current topo map
Three locations on current topo map

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PostThu Jan 19, 2017 9:37 pm 
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Unless somebody with first-hand knowledge pops up, we may never know the truth of this very, very important mystery concerning South Ozette.  In the meantime the point north of Boot Bay feels - for all it's worth - a better fit to the known data.  Eric, like others I think it's supremely cool that you poke into all these old sites with such vigor!
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