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PostSun Feb 26, 2017 8:07 pm 
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Roundup may be "sprayed" on wheat when it is green and young to kill weeds, not to speed up ripening.  Perhaps you could take a trip over to the wheat country during harvest and do some research.  Waterville might be closest.  They will be busy but maybe you could ask questions while trucks are being weighed and unloaded at a grain elevator.  You may amuse them, who knows? 

An unusual bit of wheat trivia:  My mom and dad told us that at one time, some wheat farmers scattered coal dust on top of the snow during big snow years to get the snow to melt quicker.

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PostMon Feb 27, 2017 7:02 am 
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Here is a place to start your research.  You can contact these people.

Warshington Wheat Growers  Yes, Cheerios are made from oats, but oats are sometimes rotated with wheat.  Besides, I heard a talk show host say it was wheat farmers using Roundup to speed up the curing of the grain.  Radio talk show hosts are always on the ball with accurate information, right? shakehead.gif

You might also do a cost analysis.   Determine the cost of applying Roundup to the cost benefit of early "ripening" and crunch some numbers.  But......that would be kind of scientific and probably not as fun as spreading rumors. 

I am of Scandihoovian Cowboy Wheat Farmer ancestry and lived amongst a few of the evil wheat farmers. eek.gif

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PostMon Feb 27, 2017 12:13 pm 
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I recently discovered that I'm allergic to wheat gluten.  I never had any issue with it until the last couple of years - I ate whole wheat bread every day, drank plenty of ale, etc.. I never thought I had any problem with it.  I was as surprised as my doctor when in an array of tests I had done, the gluten test was the only thing way out of range.  I came across some articles that cited a huge spike in gluten intolerance that one researcher blamed on a compound formed from the reaction of Roundup and gluten, stating that Roundup was sprayed on crops just prior to harvesting.  The research by this one person has been widely published, cited by all the healthy-living publications but there doesn't appear to be any supporting evidence of the claim and no other researchers have supported the theory.  It could be true but it's one of those issues that more research is required.  Getting off gluten has been a life changer for me - and the beer selection sucks.
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PostTue Feb 28, 2017 2:49 pm 
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I can only figure that Roundup or another herbicide is used on the fallow fields to kill weeds. Herbicide use is part of the no till or little till method of farming that causes less erosion.

Ya know, one area is planted one year, and then rested the next....so weeds have a good chance of growing.

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PostTue Feb 28, 2017 8:41 pm 
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I liked the letter in my family from my Great-Grandfather to his then new bride about working wheat harvest. $1.50 a day, for driving a head wagon. A top right of sheet he wrote date and place. Year was 1887, Walla Walla, Washington Territory. No Roundup controversies.  And farmer didn't use wheat strain developed by WSU, or even WSC.
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PostWed Mar 01, 2017 6:36 am 
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Mine farmed around Creston and are in that cemetary, I guess. I should make a pilgrimage there to see

Anybody done any research yet?   Contacted a wheat farmer?   eek.gif

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PostThu Mar 02, 2017 2:39 pm 
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...or an oat farmer?

In today's world, the best way to be sure of what you are eating is do as Sarbar does...grow it yourself.  Second best is buy from a farmer you trust, perhaps at a farmer's market.  You wouldn't necessarily visit said farm, but you know you could if you wanted to.  Third best is to buy from a source you trust to vet your food for you.  PCC comes to mind.  And Trader Joe's to a lesser extent.  Fourth best...imo, there is no fourth best.
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PostThu Mar 02, 2017 6:16 pm 
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AlpineRose wrote:
...or an oat farmer?

In today's world, the best way to be sure of what you are eating is do as Sarbar does...grow it yourself.  Second best is buy from a farmer you trust, perhaps at a farmer's market.  You wouldn't necessarily visit said farm, but you know you could if you wanted to.  Third best is to buy from a source you trust to vet your food for you.  PCC comes to mind.  And Trader Joe's to a lesser extent.  Fourth best...imo, there is no fourth best.

Unless you are doing all your own farming, it is tricky figuring out what suppliers to trust.

Many suppliers make a game of marketing globally sourced food as local -- one example story

http://narrative.ly/lessons-from-a-local-food-scam-artist/

Similarly with foods labeled as "Organic" whether the product is actually organic isn't certain

http://www.organicauthority.com/foodie-buzz/organic-food-fraud.html
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PostFri Mar 03, 2017 5:43 am 
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Just curious, how much land does it take to grow grain for a family's use?

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PostFri Mar 03, 2017 6:09 am 
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I grew up in the grain region of eastern Colorado and Kansas.  After I left home my dad farmed wheat in Missouri, along with soybeans, etc.

Grain yield would depend on a lot of variables....winter or spring wheat, hard red winter (think Great Plains) or durum variety (think NW - grown for semolina flour/pasta) and where grown.  Probably in the range of 20 to 30+ bushels per acre - for dryland wheat - in an average year.  A bushel is 60 lbs...but I think would make somewhat less flour than that.
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PostFri Mar 03, 2017 10:07 pm 
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A few comments on this thread.

The practice of using Round up close to harvest is very rarely done, at least according to this farmer:

https://nuttygrass.com/2014/11/17/a-farmers-response-to-the-real-reason-wheat-is-toxic/

An overlooked issue I believe with wheat and flour products in general is enrichment, particularly iron.  Here is a lengthy, well referenced discussion on the topic.  If you read the whole thing I'm impressed.

http://freetheanimal.com/2015/06/enrichment-theory-everything.html

I agree with the sentiment that "organic" food as generally marketed is largely a farce.  Check out the soll test results from this article.  What Gabe Brown is doing is revolutionary and truly incredible IMO.

http://www.grazeonline.com/canweregeneratesoils
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