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wildernessed viewbagger
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 9275 | TRs | Pics Location: Wenatchee |
Caldera Cone System users what do you think of the stove I am looking at a titanium version for use with esbitt tablets for one or two night trips mainly heating water.
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RumiDude Marmota olympus
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Sun May 14, 2017 1:34 pm
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I think they are great, though I have only used it with alcohol stoves. Personally I hate using esbit fuel tablets. YMMV
The Caldera Cone system focuses the heat and serves as wind shield. Just about all you can do is boil water. And before people object to that, yes you can do cooking on it but it is a PITA. If you are going to cook, get something that is easier to cook with. You can boil water pretty fast with the Caldera Cone system.
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InFlight coated in DEET
Joined: 20 May 2015 Posts: 847 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle area |
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Tue May 16, 2017 10:47 pm
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The Esbit Stoves and Alcohol stoves have so much less heat output then gas stoves, that they need every possible way to concentrate the heat output. So a cone makes sense with these options.
A pocket rocket or a snow peak will boil water likely twice as fast, and are legal during most fire bans. A Jetboil is likely three times faster due to the better heat transfer and insulated pot.
It's really a convenience vs weight trade. I still have a 16 lbs pack with a Jetboil.
A cone, alcohol stove, pot, and fuel bottle would only be a four to five ounce weight savings, at ~ three times longer cook times.
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wildernessed viewbagger
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 9275 | TRs | Pics Location: Wenatchee |
I remember heating up coffee water on summits in the winter using a Vargo tablet stove. It might be a lighter choice for overnighters, but I usually split a jetboil with a friend, have a pocket rocket, and Soto on standby. I told RichP a tablet stove would not be ideal for melting the 6L of water recently.
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Fri May 19, 2017 5:46 pm
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Like Rumi we use ours only with alcohol to boil water. They are light, compact, foolproof and work fairly fast. It only takes about 10ml of alcohol (denatured) to boil a cup of water in a few minutes. There are issues with using them in areas with burn bans.
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Joined: 06 Jun 2017 Posts: 2 | TRs | Pics Location: PNW |
I love mine--it's simple, easy to use, lightweight, wind resistant, functionally tip-proof, no dealing with partially used fuel canisters, and there's another benefit no one has mentioned yet: it's completely silent. No jet engine noise in the lead up to dinner.
You'll only realize substantial weight savings over canister stoves on shorter trips (~3 days) since the energy potential of alcohol is so much lower than propane/butane though. And it's much slower than canister stoves, particularly integrated canisters like Jetboil or MSR Windburner, although I just set up my tent while waiting for my water to boil. If you do get one, get a Zelph Starlyte stove to go with it--no spills!
[Edit: ignore the Starlyte comment--just saw that you're planning to use Esbit. Watch out for the greasy sooty pot bottoms with those tablets though.]
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InFlight coated in DEET
Joined: 20 May 2015 Posts: 847 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle area |
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Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:15 pm
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spacetent wrote: | [Edit: ignore the Starlyte comment--just saw that you're planning to use Esbit. Watch out for the greasy sooty pot bottoms with those tablets though.] |
Esbit (Hexamine) when burned releases formaldehyde, and hydrogen cyanide among other gases. The greasy sooty pot bottom is more than a little toxic, so definintly watch out for it.
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wildernessed viewbagger
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 9275 | TRs | Pics Location: Wenatchee |
Thanks for your input !
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