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PostThu Jun 22, 2017 6:29 am 
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PostThu Jun 22, 2017 7:42 am 
These examples by Coyote have nothing to do with this topic on campground privatization, but they are issues for everyone, not just government projects. They're a result of court rulings, not legislation. I've been trying to get permits for the past 2 years to put in a new septic system and driveway and I've had 3 archaeological teams digging up my entire lot, finding nothing. If I take a shovel to the dirt, I'm required to have an archaeologist observing who then has to submit a report to the State DAHP afterward. Also, look at the latest court ruling in Washington (Hirst decision) on trying to dig a well.

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PostThu Jun 22, 2017 10:22 am 
I'm thinking that Coyote could have hired the necessary "ologists" and an experienced NEPA writer and worked out their own analysis with the blessing of the FS. Of course, results vary per ranger district as to making such agreements. For example, a timber sale buyer hired an experienced wildlife person, to do spotted owl surveys. If no owls were heard or seen over a number of visits (timing agreed to with FS), logging could commence earlier than planned for. The buyer paid the salary.

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PostThu Jun 22, 2017 10:26 am 
Actually Schroder...Coyote is in the business of operating publicly owned campgrounds as a concession operator. I just happen to have linked to the most recent post. I'd suggest you mosey on back through the last..mmmm....5 years of his stuff, and read about this topic from a different perspective.

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PostThu Jun 22, 2017 2:47 pm 
They're park employees. Maintenance division deals with bathrooms etc. Fee booths are under rangers.

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PostThu Jun 22, 2017 9:42 pm 
lol @ the hysterical gibberish in this thread. Lots of campgrounds on federal lands are run by private concessionaires but now they're going to have casinos and Russian airbases suuure.gif

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PostFri Jun 23, 2017 9:39 am 
Yeah sure of course privatizing will result in better park budgets without raising camping costs or diminishing the access or experience of camping in any way. rolleyes.gif

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PostMon Jun 26, 2017 9:46 am 
Schroder wrote:
I've been trying to get permits for the past 2 years to put in a new septic system and driveway and I've had 3 archaeological teams digging up my entire lot, finding nothing. If I take a shovel to the dirt, I'm required to have an archaeologist observing who then has to submit a report to the State DAHP afterward.
What is the context of this? Clearly most people don't have to go through this to get a septic permit. Is your property a suspected Jimmy Hoffa location?

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PostMon Jun 26, 2017 9:58 am 
Anyone excavating within a mile of a known or suspected archaeological find, which by DAHP standards is certain types of artifacts over 50 years old (mining and logging artifacts), Native American remains, etc.. Pretty much everywhere near the beaches in Washington. In addition to a study, you have to have an archaeologist present during the work. For example, an archaeologist stood by and observed while they dug a pit for the new pit toilet at Ebey Prairie a couple of weeks ago. All Federal and State funded projects require archaeology study regardless of location.

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PostThu Jul 06, 2017 12:00 pm 
Schroder wrote:
Anyone excavating within a mile of a known or suspected archaeological find...
This requirement is mostly BS. If all that stuff (real or even suspected) was so important, "they" wouldn't have just thrown it and left it on the ground in the first place. And that's my humble opinion, based on observation of the process of protecting the possibility of finding "important artifacts" when an Airport was being moved in the upper midwest some years ago. Years and years went by as they were studying all possible locations....out in the middle of nowhere! As Ron White says, you can't fix stupid!

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PostThu Jul 06, 2017 12:02 pm 
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