[SingleShot]

The Atlantic salmon is one of the world's finest sport fish. That's why the Game Department tried, several times, to create naturally spawning populations in local rivers. Had they been successful all this nightmare talk would be moot.

[Randito]

WDFW info page about Atlantic Salmon http://wdfw.wa.gov/ais/salmo_salar/ As recently as 1981 introduction was tried and was a complete failure. Fish Farms in BC have had roughly 50,000 fish escape per year for many years. It would be a bit surprising if this release was the one that suddenly results in a self-sustaining wild population. Also of note: Farmed Salmon in Waashingtiin generate some 40 million in revenue... I think I'll give some Costco Atlantic Salmon a try in my smoker when I get back to the PNW.

[Ski]

[Ski]

[RumiDude]

Everything you wanted to know about Atlantic salmon — in the Northwest. Rumi

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[Gregory]

The ISA virus is the biggest documented concern.The state will tell you that cross breeding, competition for food and spawning habitat are the concerns when they are not. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/world/americas/28chile.html?mcubz=0 This article talks about the real danger to our wild salmon as Atlantic fish farms are concerned. The truth of the matter our government and the ESA are more of a danger to our fish than these farmed fish.ESA listed fish are worth a lot more than can be made on the open market, especially when they have to compete with farm fish.These fish go from million dollar industry to billion dollar industry overnight when they get listed.Unfortunately, the people getting money to save the fish lose the money when they succeed.They are not there for the love of the fish but the love of the money.the fish stocks doing the worst here in Washington are the ones listed as endangered and have been finger flicked for around twenty years now by the ESA.This flies under the radar here because of a media afraid of the government and people that think it is the government's job to take care of them.Hell, it is wdfw that has completely mismanaged our fisheries with a crooked formula called maximum sustained yield.Basically, it means how many salmon can I kill and still have that year run come back in a couple three years.It does not work largely because the science is bought by tribal and commercial money.

[Ski]

[Ski]

one more reason for not eating farm-raised shrimp:

wild argentinian shrimp with farfalle 090317

[Gregory]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_sustainable_yield MSY{maximum sustained yeild}does not work and the proof is in the pudding or the steady decline in our fisheries.The state will not leave it because it is easy to manipulate the math, twisting the formula to satisfy crooked politicians.People that trust government and science have emotional blinders on.Think about this.We paid WDFW to manage our fisheries and they have not only failed but have failed in a completely dishonest manner.Now instead of holding them accountable and firing the people that screwed us over the federal tax payers are going to hand over billions of dollars to let the fox fix the hen house.Eventually WDFW will get sued, actually they already are, The tax payers of the state will pay the settlements or judgements and still, nobody will be held accountable.Funny thing is that too many citizens of WA think suing the government is holding government accountable. Here is a link documenting the crooked management by our government.Many in this discussion and website are actually insiders including a past wdfw director.Dam it late for woork!!!!!!!! http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/818529/FISHINGTHECHEHALIS.NET.html#Post818529

[trestle]

Nothing like a good anti-government rant to start the day.

[MtnGoat]

[MtnGoat]

[Ski]

You'd think? You mean you wouldn't know, correct? Are you a fisheries biologist? This isn't about "electric fields on human health". This is about an issue that threatens a native fish population that could, if it were restored to its historic levels, feed every man, woman, and child in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and probably Montana too. This isn't about "statistics", either. And the "test population" does not number in the billions, maybe not even in the millions. This isn't some kind of game to be played with your never-ending philosophical arguments. Some of us take it quite seriously. Your armchair quarterbacking with your ideological based arguments might fly in the "global warming" thread, but respectfully, I have to tell you that you clearly have no clue what you're talking about here.

[SingleShot]

Interesting that a UW fisheries professor, Ray Hilborn, said calling this a disaster is a stretch