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PostMon Jul 24, 2017 4:58 am 
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Remember when history actually showed accurate and interesting things?  Ahhhh... that was a nice channel to watch back then...
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PostMon Jul 24, 2017 7:54 am 
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This article from the Bozeman Chronicle doesn't really add anything to the mystery but shows the level of passion some people still have for it, not too much unlike ourselves.

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PostMon Jul 24, 2017 10:44 am 
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AR wrote:
Elvis needed the expertise to build a superior plane.  Mr. Cooper spent years constructing superior planes. 

Mr. Cooper had a little extra cash if needed, in case things fell through.

The end result was the Convair 880

That's super hilarious, considering that the DB Cooper incident was in 1971 and the Convair 880's first flight was in 1959.  But I don't suppose your "thinking" is constrained by things like linear time.
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PostSat Aug 12, 2017 3:30 pm 
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The publishing date of the "loose-leaf" travelogue that the poster Yamano used to debunk the photo of Amelia /Earhart taken before 1935 at Yaluit is debunked by a Marshall Islands press release stating that the dock where the photograph was taken at Yaluit was not built until 1936:
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Now we learn from a July 15 press release issued by the government of the Marshall Islands that Yamano is mistaken about the impossibility of the photograph having been made at a date later than 1935.  Here is how Rich Martini, who was an early poster of the release on his web site sums it up:  “Turns out the ‘book copyrighted in 1935’ could not be a book copyrighted in 1935, because the docks in Jaluit did not exist until 1936.” The date on the Japanese travelogue, as Martini explains it, is essentially meaningless because the travel book is not a real book but is more like a loose-leaf scrapbook and pictures could have been inserted at any time.
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PostWed Aug 30, 2017 7:52 pm 
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For what it is worth, we were just up by Ireland Lake in the Sierra  Nevada and saw Amelia Erahart Peak.

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PostThu Aug 31, 2017 9:41 am 
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As to Witnessses -they were believable.

I haven't seen this thread for awhile because I headed into the mountains immediately after my prior post. The witnesses may have seemed (to you) certain re what they saw, but that does not make them believable in any objective sense. Eyewitness testimony is often very unreliable and too often is detrimental in a search for the truth because it takes people down an erroneous paths. See the work by UW Professor Elizabeth Loftus on that subject. The presence of folklore makes eyewitness testimony even more suspect because it can promote the witnesses to reconstruct faulty memories of things that never happened notwithstanding the witnesses' certitude that the non-existent events occurred. A feedback loop results, i.e., with each memory reconstruction the certitude of the witnesses is reinforced.
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I just finished The Truth at Last by Mike Campbell and am certain that Earhart and Noonan died on Saipan. It is not certain whether Earhart died of dysentery or was shot but there are numerous reports of Noonan having been beheaded shortly after Earhart died.

There was a blackout of information on the Barre Island crash landing and Saipan deaths of Earhart and Noonan at the hands of the Japanese by the US government likely dating to 1937 but certainly the US was aware of AE and Noonan shortly after the 2nd Marine division took Saipan from the Japanese in the early summer of 1944. That the US government remained interested well after that time is evidenced by a secret Office of Naval Intelligence report in 1960 that was declassified but not publicized in 1967. But, among the naval officers who confirmed to researcher Goerner that the above were true were Admiral Nimitz, 18th Commandant of the Marine Corp General Vandergrift, and Major General Erskine of the Amphibious Landing Group. There were also more than 20 Marine and Navy officers who witnessed some pretty amazing things in 1944 and literally nearly 100 native Mandated Islands individuals. A number of these witnesses - perhaps 20-30 were direct witnesses of AE, Noonan, and Earhart's Electra (which was purchased by Purdue University with funds directly from the US Government).

The Japanese have been shown to have lied to the US Government with regard to at least one major detail in the initial search. The Japanese rejected US requests to search the Mandated Islands but assured the US that they were searching and had found nothing. The Japanese stated that the Seaplane Tender Kanoi was one of the primary methods of search. However, that was disproved when the ship's archived logs in Japan showed that at the time of Earhart's disappearance and through the initial search, the Kanoi was shown to be at it's homeport in Japan. The US at the time was capable of monitoring Japan's coded messages by various DF resources. The US had monitored Japanese Naval communications from the early 1930's until 1939, when the Japanese changed it's coding system.

To understand the whole story one would have to read Campbell's book or an earlier book by Goerner entitled The Search for Amelia Earhart. I would describe Campbell's book as a bibliography of the documentation of searchers Goerner, Loomis, Knaggs, Devine, Golden and others. Campbell also interviewed individuals who were still alive as of the late 1990's and more recently. The Campbell book debunks conspiracy theorists including Gillespie and Long. The Gillespie theory was actually the original proposal of Fred Hooven, who came to ultimately reject the theory Gillespie still pursues likely for personal profit.

Goerner's work continued for many decades and he interviewed many individuals dating to the early 1960's and saw the ONI report in 1965 but was not allowed to record anything. He did so with another individual. Goerner went on to have a close relationship with Admiral Nimitz until Nimitz' death in the late 60's. Goerner's more than 900 files were reviewed by Campbell at the Chester V. Nimitz library where they are held. Nimitz suggested to Goerner many military officers to interview. According to Nimitz' wife in 1969, Nimitz learned about the military's secrets from a high ranking Naval Intelligence Officer Canaga who was a life long friend of Nimitz from their mutual graduation from Annapolis in 1905.

Campbell's book, as I said earlier, is best described as a bibliography of all the details dating to AE's preparation for the round the world flight. All information and quotes from individuals, and various reports are carefully footnoted.
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PostMon Oct 02, 2017 12:25 pm 
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If anyone who wants to read the Campbell book who lives in the Seattle area would like to read it, I'd be willing to loan it out, but would like it back.
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PostThu Mar 08, 2018 5:34 pm 
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New study released:

Amelia Earhart: Island bones 'likely' belonged to famed pilot
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A British party exploring the island for habitation in 1940 found a human skull, a woman's shoe, a Navy tool used by her navigator Fred Noonan (who also vanished), and a bottle of the herbal liqueur Benedictine - "something Earhart was known to carry".
"There was suspicion at the time that the bones could be the remains of Amelia Earhart," Dr Jantz wrote in the study.
The party found a total of 13 bones, which were then sent to Fiji to be analysed by Dr D W Hoodless, who concluded that they had belonged to a male.
But Dr Jantz argues that because forensic osteology - the study of bones - was still in its early stages, Dr Hoodless probably reached a wrong conclusion.
"Forensic anthropology was not well developed in the early 20th century," the paper states.
Consulting Dr Hoodless' measurements of the bones, Dr Jantz used Fordisc, a modern computer programme now widely used by forensic anthropologists, to compare them to Earhart's height and body stature.
The bones have unfortunately since been lost, and so cannot be analysed.
But the research team used historical photographs, as well as her pilot's and driver's licences, to determine that her body proportions matched the skeletal remains.
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