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PostFri Nov 03, 2017 3:33 pm 
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Well.... I see what you're interpreting as "rant" as simply voicing my opinion in an assertive manner, which I do not believe is in any way inappropriate.

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PostFri Nov 03, 2017 11:22 pm 
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Thank you for the B.C. Forestry laminated root rot in educational paper.

I signed up to go.

For the record I am going in favor of campgrounds. I even wish the wilderness boundary on ONP hadn’t been drawn so tight. At Staircase I’d like to see a few spots closed, and a bigger number added on that semi-flat behind the horse corral.

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PostSat Nov 04, 2017 12:14 pm 
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Ski wrote:
Yeah, I'm ranting because I think this should be a no-brainer...

Ski wrote:
Well.... I see what you're interpreting as "rant" as simply voicing my opinion in an assertive manner, which I do not believe is in any way inappropriate.

Sorry, I was just accepting your phrase as description of your comment to USFS (the second posting in this thread).  We're friends, Brian, and I appreciate it when you're assertive and clear in voicing your opinion to me, and actually appreciate your sentiment.  But don't understand why you went after USFS.

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PostSat Nov 04, 2017 12:38 pm 
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For the same reason you're probably just as baffled as I am that campgrounds get closed instead of the agencies dealing with the issue in the only manner that is really effective: cutting the trees down.
I think it's just nuts, and this practice of closing them and converting them to "day use only" seems to have become defacto policy, not just with USFS, but also NPS and the Washington State Parks.

Am I missing something here?

Are you going to be at this gig on Tuesday?

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PostSat Nov 04, 2017 1:14 pm 
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I can't say I agree with your approach of simply cutting down all the trees.  In the case of South Whidbey, that's the last stand of old growth fir on the south part of the island and the resulting area wouldn't be very desirable for camping.  It was a poor choice for a campground site in the first place. Rockport SP, on the other hand, would probably benefit from culling out those infected.

You can't replant doug fir where those trees stood either.
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PostSat Nov 04, 2017 7:51 pm 
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Pyrites wrote:
Are grand and noble prone to root rot too?

Is western red the most favored for replanting in an area with established root rot?


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I worked on some timber sales in the Bremerton Watershed and they gave us a schooling on root rot, some of which I have forgotten.
What I do remember is, there are two types of root rot fungus. One infects D Fir hemlock and true firs so yes grand and noble fir are prone to it. The other type infects cedar but tends to do less damage to the roots but is responsible for butt rot. W White Pine is resistant but not immune. Hardwoods are immune.
We were told the only sure way to kill the fungus is to remove all woody material from the infected area. Pretty much an impossibility. The preferred plan was to plant alder for two rotations while killing all conifers of the type that were infected by the fungus in the area.
That also was impossible because pretty much the entire watershed was infected.
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PostMon Nov 06, 2017 7:27 pm 
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Hazard Tree presentation PDF

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PostTue Nov 07, 2017 6:51 pm 
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Chico, thanks for the attachment.

I did go on the tour. Not exactly a big crowd.

They’ve been through with disease specialist and marked trees with the rot. Then they marked Doug-fir within 50’. I think during logging the plan is to reevaluate any trees that are in quarantine area that are found to be diseased and add to quarantine area as necessary.

Hemlock. All the hemlock in the diseased area will be cut. They didn’t even get out the blue paint for hemlock. Brrren brrren.

They’re also want to cut bigger alder. I gather concern is tops or bigger branches coming down.

FS would like to have sale out for cut summer 2018. FS hopes there’ll be less road damage with drier substrate. They also want to retain some money for road repair.

They also want to turn NE half loop into reservable group campground.

Add accessible spot or two.

Plant back western red cedar, western white pine, big leaf maple, rhodies.

Looking at reopening Summer 2019.
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PostTue Nov 07, 2017 8:50 pm 
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Perhaps they should consider planting Willamette valley pine, a ponderosa that adapted to wetter conditions and was present in Oregon and Washington prior to settlers clearing for farms.  I planters few along with wwp and the Willamette pine has been producing a, longer leader.  It was planted during that really dry year and did well.

I was thinking that wwp would not do well in that area.  Guess I was wrong.

Anyway, they are doing the usual treatment.

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PostTue Nov 07, 2017 9:47 pm 
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There are some patches of ponderosa that are supposedly last remnants of post glacial lodgepole, then ponderosa, on Fort Lewis. Burning for camas the key of course, along with Spanaway spuds soil type. Per talk by biologist, they’re most favored roosting habitat for another remnant, western grey squirrel.

Are these similar, or even same as, Willamette strain?

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PostWed Nov 08, 2017 6:25 am 
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Yes.  That is the area in Washington that the trees were native to.  Ft Lewis has some rare species of bugs and animals that have conflicting needs.  I guess working in their forest is interesting.

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