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PostTue Nov 28, 2017 11:09 am 
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isn't the way to end this back and forth about drilling in the alaska national wildlife refuge simply to designate the area as wilderness?

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PostTue Nov 28, 2017 11:13 am 
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That will just intensify the back and forth, won't it? I'm not sure a massive regulatory taking is the right move if the idea is to get away from a back and forth situation.

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PostTue Nov 28, 2017 11:47 am 
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It's not a designated wilderness area because Congress never voted for a bill to designate it as such.   

Areas typically get designated when there is support for a bill from the congressional delegation from that state.

Alaska's delegation is keen on oil development, so they haven't supported such a designation.

With oil prices down and thus oil tax revenues the Alaska State government is facing big deficits and is contemplating some sort of tax imposed on citizens.   Which would upend the Alaska economy and politics as currently there are no state level sales or income taxes and Alaska residents are used to receiving thousands of dollars FROM the Permanent Fund every year.

So the Alaska congressional delegation is keen to permit oil exploration in ANWR in the hopes of keeping state coffers funded without disrupting the status quo
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PostTue Nov 28, 2017 12:16 pm 
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The 1980 ANILCA -Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act -  set aside many areas as Parks, Refuges, and Wilderness.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_National_Interest_Lands_Conservation_Act

Because of the oil prospects, the Arctic plain was not protected as some had wanted, as Randy points out.  The US Fish and Wildlife Service ended up with responsibility for the area....called ‘Section 1002’ after the part of the ANILCA that dealt with it.   https://www.fws.gov/refuge/arctic/1002man.html
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PostTue Nov 28, 2017 12:25 pm 
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A good book to read about the battles to keep wilderness and other conservation designations out of Alaska is Jack Ward Thomas' The Journals of a Forest Service Chief. Sounds like it'd be a boring read, but it is far from boring. You'll throw up a little in your mouth when you read the ugly b.s.that goes on. Alaska's Sen Murkowski re: ANWR in particular.

Here's a quick story from 1995 Newsweek re: ANWR and how insane it was getting to be. It don't come easy.

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PostTue Nov 28, 2017 1:41 pm 
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Just to clarify, large parts of ANWR are wilderness, just not the North Slope, which is what I think you are asking about. See:

http://www.wilderness.net/map
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PostWed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 am 
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Just as Republicans have wanted to open 10-02 to drilling, others have wanted to give it wilderness designation, but so far both have failed to change the current status.

I have to wonder if the low price of oil will undermine attempts to put out leases if it is legally opened up, at least in the short run.
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