Forum Index > Full Moon Saloon > worth it to fight red light ticket (on camera)
 Reply to topic
Previous :: Next Topic
Author Message
neek
Member
Member


Joined: 12 Sep 2011
Posts: 2329 | TRs | Pics
Location: Seattle, WA
neek
Member
PostSat Dec 09, 2017 11:16 am 
Some things aren't worth incessant moralizing. This is a simple economic question, as the original post suggested. Only you know what your time is worth, and have some additional details from this thread on the probability of success. Whatever you choose, it won't really matter in the long run anyway. Automated law enforcement systems make me uneasy for reasons that should be obvious - and brutal honesty is a principle I try to subscribe to - but these are different discussions.

Back to top Reply to topic Reply with quote Send private message
DIYSteve
seeking hygge



Joined: 06 Mar 2007
Posts: 12655 | TRs | Pics
Location: here now
DIYSteve
seeking hygge
PostSat Dec 09, 2017 11:37 am 
^ ^ ^ Whether to respond asking for a mitigation hearing may well be an economic decision, but whether to commit perjury, i.e., driver denying that he was the driver, is a matter of ethics. Forbearing from committing perjury is not "incessant moralizing." Indeed, IMO it's not moralizing of any sort. It's a matter of ethics. There's a difference.

Back to top Reply to topic Reply with quote Send private message
BlameTheDogz
Member
Member


Joined: 03 Jan 2013
Posts: 293 | TRs | Pics
Location: Ballard
BlameTheDogz
Member
PostFri Dec 22, 2017 6:57 pm 
A couple of things to note: (1) Per RCW 46.63.170(1)(d), the camera cannot legally take a photo of the driver's face so this might be an issue one way or another; and (2) Per RCW 46.63.170(1)(h), the intersection had to be marked as a red light camera area for at least 30 days prior so this might also be an issue.

striving to stand like mountain yet flow like water, and make the dogs happy
Back to top Reply to topic Reply with quote Send private message
Foist
Sultan of Sweat



Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 3974 | TRs | Pics
Location: Back!
Foist
Sultan of Sweat
PostTue Dec 26, 2017 10:10 am 
I can confirm from personal experience that signing the statement that you were not driving the car ends the matter; but in my case, I actually wasn't driving the car (my wife was). So there was no perjury dilemma for me. So it depends how you feel about lying to disobey an unjust law (I don't think that people should be forced to pay fines under threat of criminal prosecution based on an automatic, potentially error-prone reading of a machine). As an attorney, I wouldn't risk it for the slight chance I could be caught and potentially destroy my career. But guilt would have nothing to do with it. Another important consideration is that, as mentioned, this does not go on your driving record, so the only financial downside is that one-time ransom payment to the private company that runs this racket.

Back to top Reply to topic Reply with quote Send private message
   All times are GMT - 8 Hours
 Reply to topic
Forum Index > Full Moon Saloon > worth it to fight red light ticket (on camera)
  Happy Birthday speyguy, Bandanabraids!
Jump to:   
Search this topic:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum