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PostTue Feb 13, 2018 8:47 am 
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How is it that the Stevens Pass Ski Area is allowed to charge for any parking? I thought that the property was leased from the USFS. I thought the only way the USFS gets away with charging to park is by requiring a annual pass and that's if there is a restroom provided. ???
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PostTue Feb 13, 2018 9:42 am 
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Stevens Pass resort pays a lease to the Forest Service. They control the property. The USFS is not charging to park.
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PostTue Feb 13, 2018 9:43 am 
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Study the Special Use Permit. The answer is in there somewhere.
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PostTue Feb 13, 2018 7:50 pm 
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The same question could be asked of how they charge you for a lift ticket. Obviously there are legal stipulations in place that allow them to charge for services. You could argue lifts are a physical service, but so is plowing a lot, paying the drivers, and maintaining the plows.

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PostWed Feb 14, 2018 9:34 pm 
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It's not just Steven's.  Crystal has a pay lot as well, including selling season's passes to the pay lot.   Summit West even has a pay lot (weekends and holidays)   

Think of it as a tax on laziness -- the pay lots are all very close to the base.   Just as lift tickets themselves,  you pay money to walk less, ski more.

In some ways it's too bad that the old Milwaukee line to Hyak was decommissioned,  the old "ski train" to Hyak was a neat idea, but it didn't survive America's love affair with the automobile.
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PostWed Feb 14, 2018 9:46 pm 
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I think pay lots present an endless opportunity from a business standpoint. Charge for parking up close and reserved parking and that could go to fuel bills for plowing and making more parking space. If you want to be that person who goes up on the weekend and wants to park in a lot, $5 for a reservation or $10 on the spot if there is room.

Clearing, leveling, and graveling takes a lot of money.

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PostThu Feb 15, 2018 6:52 am 
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Well my take on it is its only just a matter of time before all the parking up there is pay to park. It seems every year the owners (since they own multiple ski areas come out with the news of a record income year). I get it the rich get richer. How much longer before when you park up there to hike the area in the summer do you have to pay to park?
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PostThu Feb 15, 2018 7:53 am 
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Sky Hiker wrote:
Well my take on it is its only just a matter of time before all the parking up there is pay to park. It seems every year the owners (since they own multiple ski areas come out with the news of a record income year). I get it the rich get richer. How much longer before when you park up there to hike the area in the summer do you have to pay to park?

If the ski resort did not have parking, you would most likely have to have a snopark permit to park there in the winter because it would need to be plowed.  Plowing uses expensive equipment and paid employees.  The money does not magically appear for that.  In the summer, you'd most likely have to have some kind of a pass--maybe a NW forest pass.

How much are they charging you to park?

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PostThu Feb 15, 2018 8:01 am 
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I believe a NW pass is only required if they provide restrooms.
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PostThu Feb 15, 2018 8:52 am 
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Sky Hiker wrote:
I believe a NW pass is only required if they provide restrooms.

Well, if an area is plowed and made into a snowpark, chances are good it will have a toilet.  Now, how much do they charge to park at Stevens?

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PostThu Feb 15, 2018 9:23 am 
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FWIW: In the summer,  Alpental lot #1, which is the Snow Lake trailhead requires a NW Forest Pass.  It has the required 4 improvements.

The PCT southbound trailhead in the Summit West lot however does not require a NW Forest Pass, the last time I checked anyway.
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PostThu Feb 15, 2018 9:31 am 
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I don't see why you have to pay for the ski lifts. They should be free too.
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PostThu Feb 15, 2018 10:06 am 
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Riverside Laker wrote:
I don't see why you have to pay for the ski lifts. They should be free too.

I agree.  What could possibly be wrong with that?

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PostThu Feb 15, 2018 11:10 am 
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Some ski areas the lift tickets are free if you are old enough.

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Some ski areas the lift tickets are free if you are old enough.

But some places raised the age, otherwise I'd soon be able to take advantage of it.

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