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cambajamba
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Same permit as walk on usage? I was aware of that permit but thought they had specifically shut down riding on those trails. Glad to hear I was wrong!
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MultiUser
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Yes, same permit for all nonmotorized use AFAIK. At this point, nonmotorized also specifically excludes ebikes.
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Randito
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Ski
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Fri May 18, 2018 9:04 pm |
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no issues found. checked it twice.
to be managed as forest land for at least ten years.
means ten years to pony up the money to buy it and convert it to a public park.
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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Randito
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Update from the "Save De Leo Wall" organization
| Quote: | | Dear Save DeLeo Wall Supporter,
We want to give you a status on the potential logging of the "DeLeo Wall property", located at the southeast corner of the City of Newcastle; on the south side of Cougar Mountain.
Dalpay Properties LLC, the property owner, was granted a logging permit by the Department of Natural Resources in May 2018; despite written protests from more than 250 individuals, the City of Newcastle, and the City of Renton. After the permit was granted, the City of Newcastle filed an appeal with the Pollution and Control Hearing Board (PCHB), which is the appeals court for these types of cases (see www.eluho.wa.gov/Board/PCHB for more information). The PCHB had originally set a hearing date of March 2019.
Since summer, the City of Newcastle has been working closely with Forterra - a Seattle-based land conservation organization (see forterra.org), to negotiate with Dalpay Properties LLC, with the goal of acquiring the property and preserving it as green space. The Save DeLeo Wall Campaign has supported these efforts and will continue to do so. Short-term, we will be providing funds to cover Forterra's administrative costs but we are not engaging in a large-scale community fundraising campaign until we have a well-defined outcome and a specific monetary goal. Forterra is setting up an account so donated funds will be targeted to the Save DeLeo Wall cause.
On 11/14/2018 a Timber Cruise Report (value assessment) was completed on behalf of City of Newcastle, Forterra, and the Save DeLeo Wall Campaign. The Report provides estimates for both raw timber values and logging costs to harvest. The Report will not be made publicly available while discussions are in progress.
Last week, the PCHB decided to delay the hearing of the City's appeal based on the ongoing negotiations, until August 2019. It is still our hope that we can work together with the City of Newcastle, King County, Forterra, and the community to eventually raise the necessary funds and avoid losing the property, trails, and trees to clear-cut logging. We will continue to post updates on our website - www.savedeleowall.org - and on our Facebook page.
We need the community's on-going support and engagement to convince the City and its Council that saving DeLeo Wall is a cause worth fighting. So far, council members have been supportive and have agreed to cover the City's legal costs but their support hinges on pressure from the community. We anticipate having to speak in front of the City Council in January and will be asking for your support beforehand - the more people who show up and speak, the better.
Please contact us if you would like to be involved in upcoming meetings, community awareness campaigns, and outreach of local decision-makers. Our email is savedeleowall@gmail.com.
Happy Holidays!
The Save DeLeo Wall Steering Committee. |
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DadFly
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| Naches Hiker wrote: | | Sad the liberals care more about the fish and animals then jobs. Keep on paying for the loggers and planters unemployment! I'm sure they appreciate it. |
Actually, it was Reagan and Bush who decimated the timber industry. They opened the forests to record cuts in 11 successive years. The science of "Sustainable timber management" was cast aside so the huge corporations could make short term profits. The worker bees thrived for those years but then there was not enough timber of size to keep the loggers, truckers and millworkers employed. Salavage loggers were shut out. Drivers with their own trucks were shut out. You had to use company trucks and get paid $11.50/hr in the Missoula area. Those "conservative loggers" bombed the Champion offices.
Meanwhile, the timber industry layed off most of the workers and the US started buying our lumber from Canada.
But don't worry, those giant bastions of conservatism, Champion, Weyerhouser, etc made huge profits due to the ability to pay low wages to a smaller workforce while charging top dollar for their product due to limited supply.
Yep. Those damn liberals caused it all. Wait what? How?
"May you live in interesting times"
"May you live in interesting times"
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treeswarper
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treeswarper
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^^ Different stories in different areas. In E. Lewis County, the mill did away with its logging crews and company log trucks and went with gypo loggers and independent truckers. Champion sold out land and mill after a yarder broke a bridge and landed in the Cowlitz River.
When mills were sold, if they weren't dismantled, workers were laid off for a specified time so the union could be done away with, and the unions are now no longer.
Hampton Tree Farms, in Randle, usually has positions open in their mill.
Sustainability is possible where the trees grow well, which would be Lewis County for one place.
Clearcutting makes good views for hikers, if trails go through. Viewpoints are becoming rarer as the trees grow.
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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