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Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:44 am
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Quote: | Morning Star Trails Plan: This proposal represents a landscape-level Trails Plan developed during a grant-funded public planning process involving the general public, users, neighboring landowners, other agencies, and other stakeholders. The planning process included broad public outreach to solicit participation, a public survey, formation of a Trails Planning Committee comprised of representatives of various stakeholder groups and other agencies, and several months of committee meetings, including field trips. The project area includes four distinct landscapes (Ashland Lakes, Cutthroat Lakes, Boulder/Greider/Spada Lakes, and Gothic Basin) within the larger NRCA, all of which include existing trails and camping areas.
The process was designed to help DNR identify needs and prioritize management activities related to public use in the Morning Star Natural Resources Conservation Area (NRCA), within the framework prescribed in the Natural Resources Conservation Areas Statewide Management Plan. The planning effort was intended to address ongoing impacts to public resources related to public use of existing trails and camping areas (facilities). It did not include consideration of additional uses or new facilities; those would be the subject of comprehensive NRCA-wide management planning that is beyond the scope of this process. Located in; T30N-R08E: portions of sections 33-35, and all of section 36. T29N-R08E: all of section 1, portions of sections 2-4, 11, 12. T29N-R09E: portions of sections 2, 7-10, 12-14, 17, 18, 20-27, 37, all of sections 11, 15, 16, 35, 36. T29N-R10E: portions of sections 4, 6, 9, 10, 15, 17, 25, 26, 34, 36, all of sections 7, 8, 14, 16, 18-24, 28-33. T28N-R09E: portions of sections 2, 3, 5, 8, 9, 12, 13, 16, all of section 1, 4, 10, 11, 14, 15. T28N-R10E: portions of sections 2, 4, 7, all of sections 3, 5, 6. W.M., Snohomish County.
Information about this proposal including the Threshold Determination and SEPA Checklist can be accessed through DNR’s website at:
http://www.dnr.wa.gov/morning-star-trails-plan
Pursuant to WAC 332-41-504, this proposal was filed in the department’s SEPA Center at the Natural Resources Building, 1111 Washington Street SE, P.O. Box 47015, Olympia, Washington, on September 7, 2018. We will consider comments on this proposed DNS received by 4:30 p.m. on September 21, 2018. Comments should be submitted to the SEPA Center at, sepacenter@dnr.wa.gov or P.O. Box 47015, Olympia, Washington 98504-7015 for distribution to the responsible official. Please include the file number listed above on all comments. |
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JimK Member
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Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:19 am
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Randy, thanks for posting this.
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Kim Brown Member
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Thanks Randy. It'll be cool to read this. I was hoping they'd resurrect the trail to Boulder Lake (Reiter trail head) and enhance to wetland interpretive site at the Greider trail head. I guess I'll find out when I read this!
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
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"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
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Nancyann Member
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Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:55 pm
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Yes, thanks very much Randy!
Kim, what’s this about a trail from Reiter to Boulder Lake?
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Schroder Member
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:53 pm
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You've kind of got Mt Stickney, Ragged Ridge and Prospect Peak in the way. That would be an interesting trail.
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Schroder Member
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:47 pm
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I have to say that on the first pass it's a little disappointing. Lots of management catch-phrases and a little short of content. The meat of the report seems to be the couple of pages on goals and objectives, which is a prioritized list of bullet points with not a lot of discussion.
There are a few statements that raise some concern with me:
Re-establish Access Category:
Quote: | Re-establishing access to Twin Falls should not be a priority |
Quote: | Recreation is third on the list of priorities in the Statewide Plan. The plan balances conservation and accommodation of use. |
Access Control Category:
Quote: | Permit system - especially for sensitive/pristine areas such as Gothic, Cutthroat, Vesper/Sperry and Greider |
Concerning new development:
Quote: | Trails are not a priority in the NRCA Statewide Management Plan |
Isn't that what this whole project is about?
Implementation Category:
Quote: | Close Gothic Basin to overnight camping |
It appears to me that the main objective is to upgrade the primary trails in use so they're more environmental friendly but they really would rather that people not be up there, spend the night, or wander off-trail.
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Kim Brown Member
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[quote]Trails are not a priority in the NRCA Statewide Management Plan[/quote]
Isn't that what this whole project is about?
No, sorry. An NRCA is to protect special wild places. What they're saying is that this is a trails plan, even if recreation isn't priority.
I haven't looked at this document yet, but I am assuming a list of stakeholders are there. Lots of input by both recreation advocates as well as environmenal advocates.
Something seemingly simple as the toilet at Gothic Basin is a big deal. I attended a few of these stakeholder meetings, but due to a new job, I had leave the group just when it got meaty, so you know more about it than anyone at this point!
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
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slabbyd Member
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:45 am
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Amazing they can put a detailed 121 page plan together that includes comments like
"The Sunrise Mine Trail is a USFS designated trail...Unknowns include level of use, TRAIL CONDITIONS, environmental impacts"
Doesn't seem like it would have taken all that much to figure that one out.
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Kim Brown Member
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slabbyd, where is that quote? I'm just now looking at the plan & other docs & so far haven't found that quote in the Draft Plan.
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
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slabbyd Member
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:48 pm
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Page 41 of 121
Far more interesting is the discussion that occurred durning Meet #7 beginning on page 98. At the time DNR was recommending a three year closure of Gothic Basin, an idea enthusiastically supported by the stakeholders in attendance. Who then also suggested it be extended to the Sunrise Mine Trail as well.
FWIW the maps clearly show the "ridgeline above Lake Elan" being in the DNR CRNA where the primary purpose is conservation. This is location the #findsamsayers crowd wants to build their woodstove fueled permanent encampment.
Can private helicopters land on DNR or FS lab as they see fit? Hard to believe.
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Kim Brown Member
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slabbyd wrote: | Far more interesting is the discussion that occurred durning Meet #7 beginning on page 98. At the time DNR was recommending a three year closure of Gothic Basin, an idea enthusiastically supported by the stakeholders in attendance. Who then also suggested it be extended to the Sunrise Mine Trail as well. |
That was nixed in part because of the participation of the multiple recreation groups that were represented in this committee.Without hiker representation at these study groups, others groups have a larger voice. Preservation groups certainly have a voice; at the Meet #7, yes, they shared their thoughts. Note that not all stakeholders were present in Meet #7.
In the de-brief of Meet #7, other stakeholders then shared their thoughts of a potential closure, and DNR discussed the need for more relationships with recreation user groups.
Gothic wasn't closed.
It's important to be involved and join organizations!
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
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Schroder Member
Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Posts: 6696 | TRs | Pics Location: on the beach |
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Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:49 am
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Just received in my mail:
Save the Date
Morning Star NRCA Fall 2019 Meeting
October 23, 2019; 6:00-7:30pm
Marysville Public Library
6120 Grove Street, Marysville, WA
Join DNR staff in a community conversation about recreation projects and activities in the Morning Star Natural Resources Conservation Area. Topics will include:
• Morning Star Trails Plan implementation
• Work accomplished during 2019 field season
• Funding package for current budget cycle
Quote: | Greetings,
Please see the attached announcement for the upcoming Morning Star NRCA Fall 2019 Meeting. As you may know, we recently completed the Morning Star Trails Plan (find an electronic copy here: https://www.dnr.wa.gov/publications/amp_na_morning_star_trail_plan.pdf?w9kyzpl). Among the outcomes of the Trails Plan is our commitment to maintain and improve our connection to, and partnerships with users, conservation partners, neighbors and other stakeholders. This meeting represents the second installment of regular, periodic meetings to share and discuss our activities in Morning Star. Please save the date and join us if you can.
You’re receiving this email as part of a broad outreach distribution to people who we think may have an interest in staying connected to our activities in Morning Star. If you’d prefer not to receive these emails, please let me know and I’ll remove you from the list. Likewise, if you know of someone who might be interested and didn’t get this email, please put them in touch with me and I’ll add them to the list.
Thanks,
Paul
Paul McFarland
Natural Areas Manager
Northwest Region
Department of Natural Resources
919 North Township Street
Sedro-Woolley, WA 98284
360-708-1692
paul.mcfarland@dnr.wa.gov
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BillyTheMountain Member
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I personally built the Ashland Lake and Cutthroat Lakes trail complex When I was DNR. Joe Potter was the planner. The Twin Falls "trail" was built by a private contractor at the same time which was the 1970s. Boulder Lake was my personal baby. I was a trail boss and built the Boulder Lake trail from beginning to end. When they decommissioned (closed) the roads
Much of our work was lost or over grown.
We worked with COs from the Vietnam war. Selective service folks who refused the draft and cons did some heavy equipment work on parking lots. The waste and obviscation working for the state was astounding. My take on building new trail is do not allow it as the existing trails are enough. The Twin Falls trail was crap, they hardly even cut into the tread, the contractor just cut down old growth trees and laid rounds down like long stairways, probably all gone now. We lived in helicopter camps at Boulder and Cutthroat lake and at elk creek camp near the Grieder Trailhead. I feel compelled to share this info and much more.
Billy
We are all brothers in the mountains.
Psalm 113
We are all brothers in the mountains.
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puzzlr Mid Fork Rocks
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Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:03 pm
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BillyTheMountain -- interesting history so thanks for contributing. I'd like to hear more. The back and forth management of the area around Spada Lake in the last 10 years has been frustrating.
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Schroder Member
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Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:50 am
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I couldn't make the meeting Wednesday. Did anyone else go?
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