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Please keep this topic within the boundaries of stewardship. Feel free to link alternative discussions below in this wiki post but do NOT spam this topic with such discussion or invite requests. Such posts will be deleted. Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Washington/comments/9erxip/sam_sayers_still_missing_in_washington/ 2nd Reddit Thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/9hc0em/missing_hiker_on_vesper_peak_chaos_in_the_cascades/ Teton Gravity: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/321860 Facebook: Official page and alternative facebook group no longer public New Facebook study group created by Steve Monchak on 10/8 The Truth of the Sam Sayers Case https://www.facebook.com/groups/698480987181194/ (no longer public on 11/8/18, reappeared as a closed group 12/7/18)

[snowmonkey]

That’s ok to eat your words in this case- I’m glad it appeared better than anticipated!

[thxII38]

[AuroraSky]

It hasn't been determined if this is real or PhotoShop, but Bud posted it on his insta today (before deleting it). Unknown exactly where this is, but his description that 'he found it like this' is def BS!

[olderthanIusedtobe]

Oh boy, if that is for real then never mind any good will I thought the group might've earned. I didn't see that while I was there, but lots of terrain up there and I didn't see all the minutiae.

[BugGurl747]

A few days ago he carved a wood stick in honor of his buddy with the same style letters- all caps, while up on the mountain. It's an IG video. Shortly after posting the "f### NWH" photo to IG, people questioned how he just stumbled upon that random spot? Not only do the letters mimic his, his vulgar language mimics him as well. Would there be any ramifications for something like this?

[Ski]

Nothing quite like showing your true colors to the world.

[MtnGoat]

Implicit admission of an impact upon them.

[moonspots]

[Vertec]

Vesper Camp Damage - before and after photos of the tent site. Before photos are frame grabs from video taken on 9/17/18 (the day the mountain was 'taken'):

Photos of the same location on 10/22/18. Notice the trench dug to divert rainwater from the tent pad, and dead "grass".

Sorry for the delay in posting this (been busy). Also had to consider implications of what has been observed in social media, specifically the "rants" about taking photos of the area. I find it strange that someone can be so "rattled" by pictures taken on public land. I enjoy courteous interaction with other wilderness travelers, including polite questions. I obey all laws and public land regulations. However I must assert that I have no obligation or desire to discuss the multiple freedoms I exercise on public lands including hiking, photography, and other well regulated but constitutionally protected rights.

[olderthanIusedtobe]

Thanks for sharing Vertec. I didn't look very closely when I was up there, I definitely missed that. Didn't see the trench or an area with so much heather that had obviously been damaged. Disappointing.

[Anne Elk]

My thanks also, Vertec. The trench is particularly concerning since it will enlarge over time without intervention. Some remediation should definitely happen.

[Vertec]

[BigBrunyon]

Bud Garulo is still up there? He still making forays into the area?

[pula58]

It is a real bummer that those idiots built a trench. Such utter selfishness to dig a trench just to avoid a wet tent floor. I suspected that those guys would leave mess behind.

[Ski]

Has this issue been brought to the attention of Mr. Forbes?