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PostTue Nov 20, 2018 2:37 pm 
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Highway 20 will be closing four miles west of the usual closure gate beginning in January (from MP 134 to MP 130):

https://wsdotblog.blogspot.com/2018/11/change-means-more-room-to-roam-for-sr.html?m=1
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PostTue Nov 20, 2018 3:32 pm 
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Screws over snowmobiles, good for cyclists.

Being a cyclist, I like it!
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PostTue Nov 20, 2018 5:25 pm 
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That seems to be a perfect example of how NOT to go about letting people know about something.  DOT screwed the pooch on that one.  That'd functionally remove snowmobile and easy hiker/skier access to snow on the western HWY 20 corridor.
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PostTue Nov 20, 2018 6:30 pm 
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What doesnt make sense is if there isnt snow, Its not going to have plowing costs.  If there is significant snow, closing it early wont harm access (as much).

Why cant they only close it if its snowed in?
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PostTue Nov 20, 2018 11:30 pm 
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As a skier, I feel like they just gave us a non motorized recreation area.   smile.gif
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PostWed Nov 21, 2018 6:06 am 
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Hmm, that's gonna make the winter routes on Ruby more involved.
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PostWed Nov 21, 2018 1:56 pm 
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I'm confused why this is bad for snowmobiles- aren't they allowed on the closed section of highway too?
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PostWed Nov 21, 2018 2:10 pm 
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UWW wrote:
I'm confused why this is bad for snowmobiles- aren't they allowed on the closed section of highway too?

because snow doesn't typically stick around at EL1400 and they can't drive on bare pavement for 4 miles.

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PostWed Nov 21, 2018 2:38 pm 
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Why cant they only close it if its snowed in?


''After Jan. 2 we will continue to keep the road open to the gate at milepost 134 until there is significant snowfall to the west, to alleviate concerns about large patches of bare pavement beyond the new closure point at milepost 130.''
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PostWed Nov 21, 2018 3:23 pm 
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To add to Merlin's reply above, it looks like WSDOT is listening to concerns about lack of snow at MP 130. They've added a note to the blog post.

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Thank you to everyone for your feedback. We heard you. Here are the changes we’re making in response:
•We will close the gates on SR 20 at milepost 134 just as we have every year when the avalanche risk increases.
•We are committed to keeping the western closure point at that location through at least Jan. 2, 2019.
•After Jan. 2 we will continue to keep the road open to the gate at milepost 134 until there is significant snowfall to the west, to alleviate concerns about large patches of bare pavement beyond the new closure point at milepost 130.
•We have heard from many snowmobilers concerned with the change in our operation. We are working with local snowmobile groups to attend/plan a meeting next month to discuss your concerns and talk more in depth about the issues we face on SR 20 while accommodating winter users.
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PostWed Nov 21, 2018 9:37 pm 
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I mean that does seem to be the logical solution, as much as i like the idea of nonmotorized route 20...
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PostSun Nov 25, 2018 12:18 pm 
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I'd like to know how much it costs to maintain that stretch for snowmobile access. As hikers we all know that land management agencies sometimes just can't afford to fix the roads and trails and so we don't have access to the places that we want to go, either. And I'm sitting here in the car deck of the M/V Hyak, marveling at how much a rust is everywhere. The WSDOT is stretched thin; this may have been the fiscally prudent decision that makes best use of taxpayer dollars.
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PostTue Nov 27, 2018 4:24 pm 
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The North Cascades Highway is closed for the season at 4 p.m. Wednesday, November 28 between Milepost 134 at Diablo Overlook, east of Newhalem and Milepost 171 at Silver Star Creek west of Mazama.
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