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PostFri Nov 23, 2018 1:18 pm 
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Federal Climate Task Force releases report detailing huge costs current and projected of Climate Change if strong mitigating actions are not taken: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-climate-assessment_us_5bf5b31fe4b0771fb6b57ccb

This does not come from Fox News or some Blog by a televangelist.
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PostSun Nov 25, 2018 11:58 am 
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Half right, half wrong.  50%.  F.

Also the irony of whining about fox news while posting a link to the equally incoherent huffpost.
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PostSun Nov 25, 2018 12:50 pm 
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Same story is on ABC, AP,  BBC, CBC, CBS, Guardian, La Monde, Der Spiegl, and every reputable news service. The report is from 17 different US agencies including DOD, CIA, and NASA. But I am sure you consider all of the above commies.

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PostSun Nov 25, 2018 3:28 pm 
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Amazing people still debate this. doh.gif
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PostSun Nov 25, 2018 4:51 pm 
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Tom wrote:
Amazing people still debate this. doh.gif

yeah... but it certainly does provide comic relief here.  clown.gif

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PostSun Nov 25, 2018 9:31 pm 
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The report is from 17 different US agencies including DOD, CIA, and NASA.

Then perhaps you should read the report itself(or better yet look at the raw data) rather than the interpretation of such by far less capable and often very biased journalists.  If you must trust journalists, some outfits are obviously better than others, and i just thought it funny that the OP skipped all the decent ones and went strait into biased trash.  Your list is... better.

As for the actual report itself, it makes some mistakes and contains some truth.  You can see the heavy influence of bureaucrats and incompetent policymakers in places, but some reasonable science appears in others.
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PostMon Nov 26, 2018 9:13 pm 
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thunderhead wrote:
.  .  .  and went strait into biased trash.

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As for the actual report itself, it makes some mistakes and contains some truth.  You can see the heavy influence of bureaucrats and incompetent policymakers.  .  .  .

the irony is heavy in this post
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PostTue Nov 27, 2018 4:34 pm 
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A reasonable mistrust of politicians and journalists, both their motives and their intelligence, isn't bias.  It's correct and healthy.
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PostSun Dec 02, 2018 9:58 pm 
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Here is a recent book by the denialist's second favorite villain.  https://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-madhouse-effect/9780231177863.  I have not seen it, but the title is intriguing in that it may have come from an Einstein quote.  As I had previously posted on this thread about 30 (subjective) years ago, the closest historical analogy to the largely ideologically-based campaign against AGW was the largely ideologically-based campaign against relativity in early 20th century Germany.  There are many similarities, e.g.: arguments among laymen over a scientific a theory which in actuality could only be understood well enough to critique it by people with highly sophisticated mathematics and physics knowledge, cries of “scientific hoax,” and aspersions on the motive of the formulator(s) of the theory.  In Einstein's case there was the added factor of nationalism (which Einstein called “a pestilence”) and good old anti-semitism, accusing Einstein of being “un-German” because of his being Jewish.  It caused Einstein to muse in a letter to a colleague “This world is a strange madhouse.  Every coachman and every waiter is debating whether relativity theory is correct.  Belief in this matter depends on political affiliation.”(Since it was translated from German there are variations of this quote, in some versions it is “house of fools.”)  In any case, if the author of the above book was aware of this quote it may be the source of the title.  On the other hand, since AGW warming denial by laymen is clearly madness, maybe it was the obvious choice even if he wasn't aware of quote.

It is also of interest to note the effect of the ideology behind the campaign had on German science.  In the early 20th century Germany was the most scientifically advanced country in the word, particularly in physics.  As the ideology behind the campaign morphed into Nazism most of the top physicists, both Jewish and non Jewish, left the country and German physics never recovered its dominance.  Of course the good news part of this was that Germany never developed the atomic bomb.  The bad news was that a lot of other countries, with the help of German scientific knowledge, did.

I am pretty confident that everyone on this thread, including scientists like myself whose expertise is in other areas, falls under the rubric of “coachmen and waiters” when it comes to climate models.  If you are an exception, show us your CV.

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PostFri Dec 07, 2018 11:17 am 
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And right back the start...models are not empirical evidence. And they represent nearly all of the basis for catastrophism claims.

You don't need to be an expert to identify basic flaws in science such as arguing a model is empirical evidence. Far from being 'madness', this is simply fact.

The bad news here is that lousy science plus alarmism drives incredible waste, abuses of power, and future abuses of power. The effect of folks with a particular set of ideologies seizing upon the ideal lever with which to drive advancement of their agenda.

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PostFri Dec 07, 2018 11:20 am 
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Assessment of Undiscovered Continuous Oil and Gas Resources in the Wolfcamp Shale and Bone Spring Formation of the Delaware Basin, Permian Basin Province, New Mexico and Texas, 2018

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Using a geology-based assessment methodology, the U.S. Geological Survey assessed undiscovered, technically recoverable continuous mean resources of 46.3 billion barrels of oil and 281 trillion cubic feet of gas in the Wolfcamp shale and Bone Spring Formation of the Delaware Basin in the Permian Basin Province, southeast New Mexico and west Texas.

Peak oil delayed yet again...a continuous process of goalpost movement. wink.gif

PDF here

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PostFri Dec 07, 2018 11:26 am 
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Malachai Constant wrote:
Same story is on ABC, AP,  BBC, CBC, CBS, Guardian, La Monde, Der Spiegl, and every reputable news service. The report is from 17 different US agencies including DOD, CIA, and NASA. But I am sure you consider all of the above commies.

Ah, repetition = truth.

For some.

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PostFri Dec 07, 2018 6:08 pm 
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MtnGoat wrote:
Malachai Constant wrote:
Same story is on ABC, AP,  BBC, CBC, CBS, Guardian, La Monde, Der Spiegl, and every reputable news service. The report is from 17 different US agencies including DOD, CIA, and NASA. But I am sure you consider all of the above commies.

Ah, repetition = truth.

For some.

You pretty much stand alone. Think about it. Maybe before you die.....
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PostSun Dec 09, 2018 9:02 pm 
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MtnGoat wrote:
.......folks with a particular set of ideologies seizing upon the ideal lever with which to drive advancement of their agenda.

We can always count on MG for some unintended irony.

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