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PostMon Jan 07, 2019 9:05 pm 
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RumiDude wrote:
I am looking hard at the RadCity bike, which would really suit my needs.  I think I could use it on logging roads around the Olympic Peninsula, though primarily I want it to use around town. I like that fenders and a rear rack comes with the price. Price is an important part of the equation, but reliability is also important. I have seen several RadRovers in town as well.

The local bike shop is a Specialized dealer and has some very nice Specialized e-bikes. They all have the motor at the crank, whereas the Rad Cycles have a rear hub motor. Unfortunately the Specialized is way more expensive.

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I went through the same decision process.  I love the mainstream manufacturer's mid-drive bikes, Specialized, Giant, etc but they are too pricey for my budget.   I looked at startup and cottage e-bike manufacturers but was unsure of long distance support if anything went wrong.  The "build your own" mid-drive option was enticing as they are very capable and you can get just what you want.  But you still need a donor bike and for the kit I wanted it was close to $900 and you still have to build it out.   In the end, I bought a RAD Rover and have been happy with it for logging road use and around town.   Eventually I'll go the "build your own" route but for now I'm having a great time with the Rover.  And RAD has been great for my support questions.

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BTW - there's a deal on this BBSHD mid-drive kit at Luna Cycle https://lunacycle.com/bbshd-kit-special/

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PostMon Jan 07, 2019 11:29 pm 
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Most of those name brand mid-drive bikes are made for the EU market and hence castrated by the EU e-bike regs.  Waste of money for the power you get.

I wish lunacycles would embrace the newer torque sensing motors (Bafang Ultra and M600).  Over a year ago they announced the ridiculously priced Apex but I don't think they're making them any more.

https://lunacycle.com/luna-apex/

They also claimed to building another Bafang Ultra based bike called the Apollo but it has been MIA for over a year.  lunacycles seem to have gotten sidetracked with marketing the Sur-Ron.

There is a company in China called Frey that has been putting out some nice Ultra based bikes.  They are pricey though, even more so now with Trump's 25% e-bike tariff.  It's not an ideal time to be buying e-bikes made in China.
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PostTue Jan 08, 2019 9:26 pm 
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Those Ultra's look nice but seems like you need a custom frame which is a big commitment if you're going the build-your-own route.   But I imagine you get better balance that way.  And it looks like it's part of the bike rather than just something bolted on to it.

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PostTue Jan 08, 2019 10:16 pm 
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The ultra is overkill IMHO and the bikes I've seen are heavy (60+ pounds).  I'm more interested in the M600 which still has plenty of power but lighter.  With a carbon fiber frame you can get the weight under 50 pounds.  Basically something like this on alibaba:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/27-5-Inch-Carborn-48V-11_60819879127.html

I inquired how much 1 would cost but they didn't seem interested in shipping just 1 bike.  I'm guessing it's still a prototype.
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PostSat Jan 12, 2019 8:37 am 
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As far a bikes go, that's a good looking bike.  That Ubco is an electric motorcycle as far as Im concerned.  Id get one of those carriers that attach to the tow hitch on my Liberty.

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PostSat Jan 12, 2019 12:44 pm 
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I think the UBCO people intend it as a motorcycle, down to being licensed for city streets.
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PostSat Jan 12, 2019 5:36 pm 
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Tom wrote:
The ultra is overkill IMHO and the bikes I've seen are heavy (60+ pounds).  I'm more interested in the M600 which still has plenty of power but lighter.  With a carbon fiber frame you can get the weight under 50 pounds.  Basically something like this on alibaba:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/27-5-Inch-Carborn-48V-11_60819879127.html

I inquired how much 1 would cost but they didn't seem interested in shipping just 1 bike.  I'm guessing it's still a prototype.

A lot of people have been buying open mold Chinese CF frames and happy with them.  The consensus is to buy the frame from a reputable manufacture who's been in business for years.  If the frame fails at speed you could wind up needing a reconstructive dentist.
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PostSat Jan 12, 2019 6:02 pm 
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Would be a concern with aluminum too.  From what I've read better to buy CF than aluminum from China.

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=94960&p=1402754#p1403956

But yeah, the manufacturer of that CF frame (Dengfu) is fairly well regarded.
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