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Anne Elk
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PostWed Jan 16, 2019 3:31 pm 
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From news reports of a year or so ago, I knew there was a kafuffle re Taylor Shellfish et al wanting to spray a neonicotinoid over their shellfish beds b/c burrowing shrimp were interfering with their ops.  What I didn't know was that they'd been spraying other stuff (like Carbaryl) as well as herbicides for decades.  eek.gif   

There's a new book out on this: Toxic Pearl , reviewed by Cliff Mass. The book appears to be self-published and info on the author appears non-existent.   A controversial topic, for sure.  Some of the justifications for these pesticides are that they're less persistent and less toxic than what we used to use.  And yet, the MSDS sheets for the neonic Imidacloprid cautions to not let it get into water, and that it's toxic to all marine invertebrates.  We can't seem to learn not to mess with the wider food chain, yet we hand wring about the orcas.  mad.gif

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PostWed Jan 16, 2019 5:44 pm 
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Anne Elk wrote:
"... info on the author appears non-existent..."


Cliff Mass, in the above-cited article wrote:
The author, M. Perle, has set up a website with orders and additional information: http://www.toxicpearl.com/

John Marshall, commenting on the above-cited article wrote:
As with any article or book that speaks to an issue of science or industry, the first thing one should do is to understand the author's background and expertise along with any other works they've published. Basically to establish a basis for credibility.

That is not possible with the author of this book, M. Perle, at least not via Google search. I went and bought the Kindle version with the hope that I'd learn more, but there was nothing about the author in it. The Kindle book did did list a web page, so I went there in hope of learning more. Still absolutely nothing about the author. Whoever this M. Perle is, they appear to be an on-line ghost.

Perhaps Cliff can update us on the author's credentials and experience in this area... otherwise I don't plan on wasting my time reading the book.

In addition to some information about "M. Perle", it might be in order to determine what exactly is the truth regarding the use of herbicides on non-native invasive species, which seems to be a good part of the complaint.
Other than the use of chemical herbicides or fire (which probably isn't practicable when dealing with tidal marsh grasses), what other options are available? Or would it be better to allow the non-native invasive species to propagate?

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PostWed Jan 16, 2019 9:46 pm 
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There's no bio of the author on the book website either.  M. Perle may even be a nom-de-plume.  This is an important issue for the public to chew over, but it may take an investigative  journalist to sort out the truth.  Being a beekeeper, I'm familiar with how certain issues get hyped (colony collapse disorder) and blamed on one thing (the latest pesticide - neonics), when in actuality the issues are multi-factorial, and the truth often quite different than portrayed in the media.  The problem is more how we do things in the USA - "shoot first ask questions later".
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... it might be in order to determine what exactly is the truth regarding the use of herbicides on non-native invasive species

Are you referring to the problem with invasive spartina? That was mentioned by one commenter in Cliff's review of the book.  Considering that the shrimp is a native species, is there something that's shifted in the environment that's caused their population to explode? Or is it only a problem because Taylor et al have expanded their ops into new areas where these shrimp are more common?

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PostThu Jan 17, 2019 10:44 am 
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This issue was raised in 2015 because of an article written.  I seem to remember it turned into  spraying stopped, then spraying allowed, then stopped and so on.

I was not aware that the object was to kill native shrimp.  I thought it was some kind of invasive plant.  I was also thinking that the native Olympic oysters were being grown there.  So, guess I don't know much.

I think I'll go back to watching the snow come down.  We haven't had much of that this winter.

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