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PostTue Oct 09, 2018 5:33 pm 
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Hey DB, if your carrying a G19 you should try and load it with 147 grain rounds.  Heaviest you can get for the 9mm.  That's what I use when I carry the 19.  When I carry a revolver I always use super hard cast wad cutters in them.  Cant get them for the G19 as far as I know.  And yes, I always carry when outdoors.

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PostFri Nov 02, 2018 10:49 am 
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When I started hiking again this summer I carried my G43. I just got some buffalo bore 147gr hardcast to load up a mag with.

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PostSat Nov 03, 2018 6:03 am 
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Todd Ler wrote:
When I started hiking again this summer I carried my G43. I just got some buffalo bore 147gr hardcast to load up a mag with.

Buffalo Bore 9mm +P Outdoorsman

Good article, and thanks for the link. I rarely carry anymore (actually, only once in the past 30 years or so), but good info anyway. I was pleased to read that these are suitable for the Glock 19.

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PostMon Nov 05, 2018 9:51 pm 
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That's a good post.  Thanks.

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PostSun Feb 10, 2019 11:53 pm 
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Also a good read:

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=108

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PostMon Feb 11, 2019 1:22 pm 
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Todd Ler wrote:
When I started hiking again this summer I carried my G43. I just got some buffalo bore 147gr hardcast to load up a mag with.

Buffalo Bore 9mm +P Outdoorsman

I originally thought the information at this link would generate good discussion regarding this topic.  But now I realize I was wrong.  The information provided by this link, and the other I posted above effectively ‘completes’ this discussion.  Turns out the “over penetration” criticism ends up being one of those “It’s not a bug, It’s a feature” things.  While the event described certainly can be classified as anecdotal, it provides a real world example of "as advertised" performance capabilities.  How one can achieve similar capabilities is up to the individual, there are ample resources available to assist in doing so.  End of.

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PostMon Feb 11, 2019 1:24 pm 
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That was a great article.

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PostMon Feb 11, 2019 1:34 pm 
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Might as well link to the photo.  A picture is worth a thousand words.  Including the 'compact' unit also ends up having one of those "less is more"  biggrin.gif  effects:


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PostWed May 22, 2019 11:00 am 
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I'll post this here for reference:

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30151096622&searchurl=tn%3Dcontact%2Bweapons%2Blethality%2Band%2Bdefense%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1

Describes the stakes involved.

Of particular note is an X-ray on p.169, which shows a 20ish inch sword that was inserted where the "sun don't shine" and driven "north" midway through the abdomen.  The caption informs the reader the injury was not post-mortem (as one would hope), but delivered by a psychopathic offender.

There are documented cases of psychopathic and severely deranged attackers, who even after receiving multiple wounds including GSWs (even fatal), proceeded to murder their intended victim(s).  There is a difference between dissuading an attack and stopping or escaping an attack.  Dissuading an attack requires the attacker make a decision to stop - this is the important point.

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PostWed May 22, 2019 11:51 am 
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Elsewhere on this forum are recent threads discussing Lions, Trailhead robbers, Machete Murders, and Bears (oh My).

Last year four people were attacked by cougars in three separate incidents leaving two dead in the Cascades.  One of these attacks received no media coverage, but was reported in NWHikers.net (Kudos to NWHikers.net).

Decisions about how to protect yourself (or not) are your decisions.  No one can make them for you - including the person behind the counter at a gun shop.  Betting on luck can be the decision a lot of people will make and end up just fine.  Some of us including myself, have encountered situations where our luck ran out.  Don't underestimate the impact it will have on you if your luck runs out someday.

Do your own research to make informed decisions for what is best for you.

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