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PostSat Feb 23, 2019 9:04 pm 
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Ski wrote:
the effects are also seen upstream of where the dam was formerly located

"Stabilization" issues notwithstanding, one thing mentioned in the documentary film on the Elwha restoration is that salmon have already been seen spawning upstream from the dam locations - that has to be encouraging, maybe the most important sign that "it's working".

As an aside, one of the best programs I ever saw on the relationship between salmon and forest health was the "Salmon Forest" episode from the popular David Suzuki series "The Nature of Things".  Unfortunately CBC tightly controls its intellectual property; you can't stream it in the US, and as far as I know it's not available for the consumer market (at consumer prices).  However a number of our libraries have it.  Here's the trailer.  Until I saw this film I had no idea that salmon were such an integral part of forest ecology.
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PostSun Feb 24, 2019 3:09 pm 
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I'd like to thank each of you for your comments and for considering the alternatives to restore vehicle access to the Elwha Road/Olympic Hot Springs Road south of the closed gate at Madison Falls.

If anyone has not yet submitted your comments, you still have time.  The deadline to submit comments is tonight (February 24, 2019) at 10:59 PM Pacific Standard Time.  The easiest way to submit comments is via the green “Comment Now” button at this National Park Service   web page.

Just to be clear, the topographical map included in my post above is not a government document.  ONP provided two sketch-type maps in their Presentation document (linked at the above website).   I felt that it would be more useful to show the approximate locations of the two action alternatives on a topo map, so I drew dashed lines on a topo map as consistently as I could with the routes on ONP's sketch map, which ONP carefully referred to as "approximate".  The topo map depiction is intended to illustrate the general location of and the topography crossed by the two alternatives, not their exact locations.  Thus, if ONP chooses the bypass alternative, the final route could be higher up the hillside than the dashed line I drew on the topo map.

Ski, you make a good point about the the north end of the bypass alternative being too close to Sanders Creek.  ONP's sketch map has it ending just north of Sanders Creek, but in ONP's text about the bypass route, ONP does indicate it is possible to continue higher on the slope farther past the Sanders Creek former temporary bridge location (ONP Engagement Letter, p. 5, para. 2 under "Alternative 2"). 

Finally, thank you RL for the info about Return of the River.  I really enjoyed watching it this afternoon.  As a side note, on page 1 and 2 of its Engagement Letter (linked at the above website), ONP mentions that its General Management Plan and the Elwha River Ecosystem Restoration Implementation SEIS call for continued public vehicular access to this area of the park and that ONP's ecosystem recovery efforts in this area depend on vehicle access.
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PostSun Feb 24, 2019 10:16 pm 
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Anne Elk wrote:
Until I saw this film I had no idea that salmon were such an integral part of forest ecology.

Those who were involved in the process of coming up with the "Northwest Forest Plan" made a huge error in judgment when they selected the Northern Spotted Owl as the "Indicator Species".
Had they instead chosen the Chinook Salmon, they would have gotten far more supporters on their side.
The choice of the owl was a monumental blunder in policy making, and a piss-poor choice in regard to marketing.

And yes, the forest revolves all around that fish. It's been that way for millennia.


AA, thanks for the reminder. wink.gif

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PostSun Feb 24, 2019 10:21 pm 
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True as far as effect but SO better indicator species because it was not affected by as many external factors I.e. over fishing, siltation, peradatory, etc. of course that was before barred owls were a factor.

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PostThu Feb 28, 2019 11:52 pm 
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The comment period has been extended through 3/13/19.
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Thank you, rubywrangler, for reporting that the comment submission deadline has been extended to March 13, 2019.  I have edited the title for the original post in this thread to reflect the new deadline.

I also found this morning that ONP has added a third document to the list of documents to consider when forming your opinions on which alternative (no action, bypass route, elevated roadway) you prefer.  The new document is entitled "Plan View - All Engineering Solutions", and it was added to the comment website on February 22, 2019, according to ONP Planning and Compliance Lead Christina Miller.  Ms. Miller indicated that the recent addition of this "Plan View" document is one of the reasons the comment submission deadline has been extended.  Ms. Miller said that if you previously submitted a comment and wish to submit another comment after reviewing the "Plan View" document, you are encouraged to do so.

To view and download the document entitled "Plan View - All Engineering Solutions", click here.  The "Plan View" document is a 14 MB topographic map that depicts the proposed route of the elevated road alternative and the route of various engineering "solutions" that could be selected to form the bypass route alternative.

For example, "Plan View" shows two "Boneyard" routes, one relatively close to the river elevation and one far above the river elevation.  If you wanted a lot of vertical separation between the north end of the bypass route and the river elevation, you might want the north end of the bypass route to be comprised of the higher "boneyard" solution.    I will attempt to obtain some more information on these engineering "solutions" in the next few days from ONP.
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