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Kim Brown Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2009 Posts: 6899 | TRs | Pics
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Anne Elk wrote: | a site that holds my attention longer than WTA ever could |
WTA's Trail Talk was quite colorful in its day, and especially so in the days directly before WTA shut it down, prompting the creation of NWH! WTA definitely held attention back then!
But now, it's comparing apples to oranges. The 2 sites don't have the same intent.
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
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Damian Member
Joined: 18 Dec 2001 Posts: 3260 | TRs | Pics
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Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:11 pm
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Kim Brown wrote: | WTA's Trail Talk was quite colorful in its day |
You mean back when Tom and I were put on double secret probation for not conforming? I met a lot of good folks on that site. Many of whome I still know here. I think I met Kim there too.
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MtnGoat Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2001 Posts: 11992 | TRs | Pics Location: Lyle, WA |
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:41 am
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That was freaking awesome.
If I recall correctly, non compliance with WTA stances on numerous issues was always viewed as problematic, but things came to a head with their support for locking down road access on the full MFK and the online pushback in their forum.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Kim Brown Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2009 Posts: 6899 | TRs | Pics
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Actually the bigger issue was a picture of a cairn that Tom posted. Pictures on forums were rare then, and WTA hadn’t developed the site enough to handle them, but users were posting pics and it created a big flap. By then, the arguments were detrimental to the WTA website, and WTA, being dependent on donors, felt that the arguments, insults, and general b.s. that we now know is inherent in forums, was a bit offensive.
The Mid Fk issue didn’t cause problems with Trail Talk. Motorized users were jamming the site off and on in the beginning, well before the Mid Fk project, but the guy responsible for Trail Talk tracked down the IP addresses and talked to the supervisor at their offices, so that was that on that.
O what fun it was.
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
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sarbar Living The Dream
Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Posts: 8055 | TRs | Pics Location: Freeland, Wa |
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:49 pm
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Tom Admin
Joined: 15 Dec 2001 Posts: 17851 | TRs | Pics
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:31 pm
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The issue wasn't that the WTA didn't have resources to host pictures. The webmaster simply didn't want anyone to post pictures because he thought the pages would load too slow. I had embedded a small picture hosted on my own personal website via the HTML image tag. The administrator then disabled the image tag. I found a way to post the picture with JavaScript since he forgot to disable that tag LOL. That got me banned from WTA trail talk by the administrator who claimed I had hacked the site and all of my trip reports were also deleted by the administrator. Soon thereafter WTA shutdown trail talk and that was the start of NWH after a short hiatus on a forum that MtnGoat hosted.
As far as the picture with the cairn that was posted by the administrator after he had disabled the image tag for everyone else lol.
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Brushwork Food truck
Joined: 18 Aug 2018 Posts: 508 | TRs | Pics Location: Washington |
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:27 pm
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Well, sometimes good things happen from rebellion!
When I grow up I wanna play.
When I grow up I wanna play.
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Kim Brown Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2009 Posts: 6899 | TRs | Pics
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sarbar wrote: | Kim Brown wrote: | but the guy responsible for Trail Talk tracked down the IP addresses and talked to the supervisor at their offices |
How petty was that? Lol. Talk about needing a hobby. |
It was actually detrimental for the organization to utilize the website for its mission. The website was slammed shut when it was jammed, and it was jammed on purpose by a group of motorized users from a local large corporation. Easy to find their supervisor. The jamming was impacting WTA’s ability to post their volunteer trips and hard or impossible for volunteers to sign up, fundraising, event invitations, trip reports – and donors were having trouble donating. Back then, most of this was still done via paper and phone, but a lot of would-be donors and volunteers were on the internet bandwagon.
So it might seem petty, but when it’s hurting an organization’s fund-raising and other efforts, that is a big deal.
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
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Kim Brown Member
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Tom wrote: | As far as the picture with the cairn that was posted by the administrator after he had disabled the image tag for everyone else lol. |
Ah! its coming back to me now.
The Trouble with Cairns.
So many fond memories.
Catwoman, where art thou?
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
"..living on the east side of the Sierra world be ideal - except for harsher winters and the chance of apocalyptic fires burning the whole area."
Bosterson, NWHiker's marketing expert
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Adohrn Member
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Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:08 pm
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Really cool to have you reminiscing about the back story of this forum. Have read bits and pieces elsewhere, but now I feel like I have a much better picture of what happened.
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neek Member
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:51 am
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Haha... Tom you h4x0r. I was in Oregon at the time so sadly wasn't tuned into WTA or nwhikers. I vaguely recall seeing a car at the Dog Mtn trailhead with "nwhikers.net" painted on the side, but forgot about it until a decade later when I stumbled across the site. Did I imagine that?
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Damian Member
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Damian
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:56 am
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My crime was to hit the back button to copy and then repost a civil thread that had been deleted. The topic touched on multi-use issues that I thought were relevant to the conversation. But even mentioning multi-use was considered blasphemous. I was rightly verbally punished then put on double secret probation. If I tried to post I received a message saying my post would be reviewed by an admin.
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Flash Gordon Member
Joined: 19 May 2004 Posts: 210 | TRs | Pics Location: Everett |
I used to browse here a lot, and seldom post.
I read through this thread and def. remember some screen names.
I doubt many remember me :-)
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kbatku Questionable hiker
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 3330 | TRs | Pics Location: Yaquima |
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kbatku
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Fri May 03, 2019 8:27 pm
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I've learned a lot from this site & gravitate back as the weather warms. I should come here more often in the cold months - I miss a good cabin fever flame war
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moonspots Happy Curmudgeon
Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 2456 | TRs | Pics Location: North Dakota |
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Sat May 04, 2019 4:39 am
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kbatku wrote: | ....I should come here more often in the cold months - I miss a good cabin fever flame war |
If you're ever in need of a good dose of "flame war", head on over to mountainproject.com, that's very common there.
"Out, OUT you demons of Stupidity"! - St Dogbert, patron Saint of Technology
"Out, OUT you demons of Stupidity"! - St Dogbert, patron Saint of Technology
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