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Slugman It’s a Slugfest!
Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Posts: 16874 | TRs | Pics
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It’s a Slugfest!
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Sun May 12, 2019 11:53 am
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natural_log Member
Joined: 19 Oct 2015 Posts: 49 | TRs | Pics Location: Portland, OR |
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olderthanIusedtobe Member
Joined: 05 Sep 2011 Posts: 7687 | TRs | Pics Location: Shoreline |
That is so disturbing, terrible news.
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BigBrunyon Member
Joined: 19 Mar 2015 Posts: 1450 | TRs | Pics Location: the fitness gyms!! |
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contour5 Member
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Sun May 12, 2019 3:55 pm
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Jordan's trail name is "Sovereign".
Condolences to the victims, their friends and families and to all of us, really.
All the warning signs were there, but Jordan was allowed to keep terrorizing the trail for weeks...
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zimmertr TJ Zimmerman
Joined: 24 Jun 2018 Posts: 1214 | TRs | Pics Location: Issaquah |
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Sun May 12, 2019 11:16 pm
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Malachai Constant Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2002 Posts: 16088 | TRs | Pics Location: Back Again Like A Bad Penny |
We have always avoided portions of the AT for this reason. There is a sickness in some areas. This is not the first such incident, a few years ago a couple of gay women were killed there. The southern section runs close to rather isolated communities. Deliverance had an element of truth. The AP in New England is a great trail far more difficult than you may think. JMO
"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
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Schenk Off Leash Man
Joined: 16 Apr 2012 Posts: 2372 | TRs | Pics Location: Traveling, with the bear, to the other side of the Mountain |
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Mon May 13, 2019 9:59 am
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RIP hiker
Nature exists with a stark indifference to humans' situation.
Nature exists with a stark indifference to humans' situation.
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snowmonkey Member
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Awful ending for these 2 who were surrounded by the innocent and welcoming arms of nature. A place doesn’t make the terrible event occur, a person does.
Ocian in view! O! The joy!
William Clark
Ocian in view! O! The joy!
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Backpacker Joe Blind Hiker
Joined: 16 Dec 2001 Posts: 23956 | TRs | Pics Location: Cle Elum |
RIP hiker.
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
— Abraham Lincoln
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
— Abraham Lincoln
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Pahoehoe Member
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Mon May 13, 2019 9:32 pm
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Doppelganger wrote: | zimmertr wrote: | What an animal. |
Was he always so? What was West Yarmouth like for James Jordan, was he aggressive while growing up and living there? When did he start doing drugs and how did life change afterwards? What kinds of drugs was he apprehended with in April as well as May (stories only refer to "class VI" drugs), did they contribute to his behavior?
The publisher of the AT yearbook, Odie Norman, picked Jordan up after his April release and took Jordan out for a meal and a chat. Odie reached the conclusion that Jordan needed help, but to whom should this fall? Odie did what he could and what he thought was right, trying to send Jordan on his way home. Should some of the hikers from the April arrest stayed long enough to testify against Jordan? When does such a thing become a societal responsibility, rather than a simple personal inconvenience?
I spent some time considering these questions this weekend while staring out the car window at our own local castaways. |
More people need to ask these questions.
We try to save those sliding down the hill, or at least some how prevent them from taking others out with them... why arent we looking for where they lost traction in the first place?
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Backpacker Joe Blind Hiker
Joined: 16 Dec 2001 Posts: 23956 | TRs | Pics Location: Cle Elum |
There aren't always answers for what people do! Often times the best thing you can do is be prepared to defend yourself when/if the time comes.
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
— Abraham Lincoln
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
— Abraham Lincoln
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Kascadia Member
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Kascadia
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Tue May 14, 2019 10:49 am
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Doppelganger wrote: | zimmertr wrote: | What an animal. |
Was he always so? What was West Yarmouth like for James Jordan, was he aggressive while growing up and living there? When did he start doing drugs and how did life change afterwards? What kinds of drugs was he apprehended with in April as well as May (stories only refer to "class VI" drugs), did they contribute to his behavior?
The publisher of the AT yearbook, Odie Norman, picked Jordan up after his April release and took Jordan out for a meal and a chat. Odie reached the conclusion that Jordan needed help, but to whom should this fall? Odie did what he could and what he thought was right, trying to send Jordan on his way home. Should some of the hikers from the April arrest stayed long enough to testify against Jordan? When does such a thing become a societal responsibility, rather than a simple personal inconvenience?
I spent some time considering these questions this weekend while staring out the car window at our own local castaways. |
Yes, even the deficient, snaggle toothed kid (obviously the product of generations of inbreeding of the worst the species has to offer = "talk about genetic deficiencies") at the beginning of Deliverance was a musical savant/dueter. . .
I heard an interview with James Dickey (a Southerner) many years ago in which he was asked what his inspiration was for his novel, Deliverance. He said he wanted to write about the greatest collective/cultural fear in our modern society (60s modern, that is). He had come to the conclusion that it was being beset upon by strangers.
It is as though I had read a divine text, written into the world itself, not with letters but rather with essential objects, saying:
Man, stretch thy reason hither, so thou mayest comprehend these things. Johannes Kepler
It is as though I had read a divine text, written into the world itself, not with letters but rather with essential objects, saying:
Man, stretch thy reason hither, so thou mayest comprehend these things. Johannes Kepler
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MtnGoat Member
Joined: 17 Dec 2001 Posts: 11992 | TRs | Pics Location: Lyle, WA |
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Wed May 15, 2019 10:04 am
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The nature of human variation insures said examples will always exist.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Anne Elk BrontosaurusTheorist
Joined: 07 Sep 2018 Posts: 2410 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle |
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Wed May 15, 2019 10:26 am
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Doppelganger wrote: | From a story about Seattle's list of most prolific repeat offenders. This seems like the kind of list Jordan would have landed on - in fact, one of the Seattle guys Travis Berge profiled in recent weeks looks strikingly similar to Jordan. Current tally of 34 convictions and 46 jail bookings. |
These are examples of why we used to have something called "involuntary commitment" or special facilities for the criminally insane. These people cannot be allowed out into the streets. The drug overlay with mental illness just complicates things even more.
"There are yahoos out there. It’s why we can’t have nice things." - Tom Mahood
"There are yahoos out there. It’s why we can’t have nice things." - Tom Mahood
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