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PostSun May 12, 2019 11:53 am 
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/12/us/appalachian-trail-machete-attack/index.html

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PostSun May 12, 2019 1:47 pm 
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This article shared by the Appalachian Trail Conservancy mentions one person fatally injured: https://www.wjhl.com/local/1-dead-another-injured-after-appalachian-trail-assault/1997583055?fbclid=IwAR0wjqjcIm4HH-RWzxwNKmsbwJMnSw99ULXa_k1VtLnm7ugiGlJzvQEGGfo

So tragic. Imagine being on a thru hike, or any hike, expecting it to be the same as any other time, and then this.
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PostSun May 12, 2019 3:14 pm 
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That is so disturbing, terrible news.
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PostSun May 12, 2019 3:44 pm 
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Deeply disturbing

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PostSun May 12, 2019 3:55 pm 
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Jordan's trail name is "Sovereign".

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Jordan has been arrested and charged with one count of murder within the special maritime territorial jurisdiction of the United States and one count of assault with the intent to murder within the special maritime territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Condolences to the victims, their friends and families and to all of us, really.

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Jordan has allegedly been menacing people on the trail, which is in the midst of its high season, for weeks.

“He was well-known,” said Brian King, a spokesman for the Appalachian Trail Conservancy, which manages the trail through 14 states with two federal agencies. “The trail has always had a fantastic grapevine.”

On April 21, Unicoi County, Tennessee, Sheriff Mike Hensley raised the alarm about the erratic figure nicknamed Sovereign, writing that he “ran hikers out of shelters with a shovel” and “brandished a knife and machete and stated it was going to be a bad day for hikers.”

All the warning signs were there, but Jordan was allowed to keep terrorizing the trail for weeks...

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When he was arrested a few weeks ago, the hikers did the right thing—they called 911 and went to the sheriff and got him arrested,” King said. “The problem is when you are thru-hiking, you are on a timetable, and they couldn’t or wouldn’t go in to testify, and that’s why he went through the system so fast.
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PostSun May 12, 2019 11:16 pm 
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What an animal.
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PostMon May 13, 2019 12:20 am 
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We have always avoided portions of the AT for this reason. There is a sickness in some areas. This is not the first such incident, a few years ago a couple of gay women were killed there. The southern section runs close to rather isolated communities. Deliverance had an element of truth. The AP in New England is a great trail far more difficult than you may think. JMO

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PostMon May 13, 2019 8:32 am 
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zimmertr wrote:
What an animal.

Was he always so? What was West Yarmouth like for James Jordan, was he aggressive while growing up and living there? When did he start doing drugs and how did life change afterwards? What kinds of drugs was he apprehended with in April as well as May (stories only refer to "class VI" drugs), did they contribute to his behavior?

The publisher of the AT yearbook, Odie Norman, picked Jordan up after his April release and took Jordan out for a meal and a chat. Odie reached the conclusion that Jordan needed help, but to whom should this fall? Odie did what he could and what he thought was right, trying to send Jordan on his way home. Should some of the hikers from the April arrest stayed long enough to testify against Jordan? When does such a thing become a societal responsibility, rather than a simple personal inconvenience?

I spent some time considering these questions this weekend while staring out the car window at our own local castaways.
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PostMon May 13, 2019 9:59 am 
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RIP hiker

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PostMon May 13, 2019 12:34 pm 
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Awful ending for these 2 who were surrounded by the innocent and welcoming arms of nature. A place doesn’t make the terrible event occur, a person does.
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PostMon May 13, 2019 1:57 pm 
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RIP hiker.

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PostMon May 13, 2019 9:32 pm 
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Doppelganger wrote:
zimmertr wrote:
What an animal.

Was he always so? What was West Yarmouth like for James Jordan, was he aggressive while growing up and living there? When did he start doing drugs and how did life change afterwards? What kinds of drugs was he apprehended with in April as well as May (stories only refer to "class VI" drugs), did they contribute to his behavior?

The publisher of the AT yearbook, Odie Norman, picked Jordan up after his April release and took Jordan out for a meal and a chat. Odie reached the conclusion that Jordan needed help, but to whom should this fall? Odie did what he could and what he thought was right, trying to send Jordan on his way home. Should some of the hikers from the April arrest stayed long enough to testify against Jordan? When does such a thing become a societal responsibility, rather than a simple personal inconvenience?

I spent some time considering these questions this weekend while staring out the car window at our own local castaways.

More people need to ask these questions.

We try to save those sliding down the hill, or at least some how prevent them from taking others out with them... why arent we looking for where they lost traction in the first place?
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PostTue May 14, 2019 9:19 am 
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There aren't always answers for what people do!  Often times the best thing you can do is be prepared to defend yourself when/if the time comes.

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PostTue May 14, 2019 10:49 am 
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Doppelganger wrote:
zimmertr wrote:
What an animal.

Was he always so? What was West Yarmouth like for James Jordan, was he aggressive while growing up and living there? When did he start doing drugs and how did life change afterwards? What kinds of drugs was he apprehended with in April as well as May (stories only refer to "class VI" drugs), did they contribute to his behavior?

The publisher of the AT yearbook, Odie Norman, picked Jordan up after his April release and took Jordan out for a meal and a chat. Odie reached the conclusion that Jordan needed help, but to whom should this fall? Odie did what he could and what he thought was right, trying to send Jordan on his way home. Should some of the hikers from the April arrest stayed long enough to testify against Jordan? When does such a thing become a societal responsibility, rather than a simple personal inconvenience?

I spent some time considering these questions this weekend while staring out the car window at our own local castaways.

Yes, even the deficient, snaggle toothed kid (obviously the product of generations of inbreeding of the worst the species has to offer = "talk about genetic deficiencies") at the beginning of Deliverance was a musical savant/dueter. . .
I heard an interview with James Dickey (a Southerner) many years ago in which he was asked what his inspiration was for his novel, Deliverance.  He said he wanted to write about the greatest collective/cultural fear in our modern society (60s modern, that is).  He had come to the conclusion that it was being beset upon by strangers.
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PostWed May 15, 2019 8:22 am 
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From a story about Seattle's list of most prolific repeat offenders. This seems like the kind of list Jordan would have landed on - in fact, one of the Seattle guys Travis Berge profiled in recent weeks looks strikingly similar to Jordan. Current tally of 34 convictions and 46 jail bookings. Apparently came to Seattle about 4 years ago, allegedly with a single arrest under his belt then. Again I ask (without expecting any answer, I only ask to spur thought) - to whom should this fall when someone such as Travis has rejected or been rejected/failed by society, the judicial system, friends and family? Ignoring such questions will only ensure the continued existence of the problems from which they are born.

KIRO (fwiw) wrote:
"This is the beginning of what could be a very, very long journey," Stewart said.

He says that journey must also include a systemic change in the judicial and mental health systems here and across the state.

Some of that is surely on the agenda.

Surely.
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