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Tom Admin
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:36 pm
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Why would shorter term concerns de-legitimize longer term concerns? Flip the priority and pitch the same argument to the man in the mirror.
I do find it interesting to see ultra conservative leaning family members investing in electric vehicles. I suspect the grandkids have an impact.
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Parked Out Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2011 Posts: 508 | TRs | Pics Location: Port Angeles, WA |
Tom wrote: | Why would shorter term concerns de-legitimize longer term concerns? |
Immediate concerns don't delegitimize long term concerns, but for rational people they do reprioritize them. It's nice that we have the first-world luxury of obsessing about problems that we struggle to even detect. And I'm probably no more concerned about my fellow man than the next guy, but the whinging about 'climate justice' and 'frontline communities' from the climate alarmists, and their faux concern for sea-level-rise- and future-drought-afflicted people of the world, does ring a little bit hollow when the alarmists won't admit that climate change is far down the priority list (for good reason) for many people of the world.
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gb Member
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:15 pm
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Extreme flash flooding in Washington DC including Whitehouse
Earlier (like 2 months ago) rains in the midwest were said to be 150-400% (CPC July Discussion) or more than normal; last year it was Pennsylvania. Hope I didn't leave anybody out....
Current language CPC: Quote: | During the past week, CFS, GFS, and ECMWF model guidance have been in generally
good agreement on a circulation transition towards the typical, climatological
summer pattern across the United States. This summer pattern features mean
500-hPa long-wave trough axes near both the Pacific and the Atlantic Coasts,
and a mean ridge axis near the High Plains. West-northwesterly low-amplitude
flow aloft downstream of the ridge axis favors a pattern that is not as cool
and not as wet across the north-central states, which have experienced
excessive rainfall, saturated soils, and devastating floods during the past
30-45 days. While a reduction in precipitation seems reasonable compared to
what has fallen during the past 30-45 days, it is important to remember that
for this part of the Nation summertime is the primary time for the development
of thunderstorm clusters. These clusters (known as Mesoscale Convective
Systems, or MCS's) often develop at night, and may persist well past daybreak.
About 40-45 percent of the annual precipitation received in this region
typically falls during the warm season with these MCS's and frontal systems.
Unfortunately, the record or near-record saturated soils currently across the
North-Central CONUS has resulted in a substantial delay in the planting of
various crops such as corn and soybeans. Elsewhere, over the Southwest/Four
Corners region, July is when the western portion of the subtropical ridge
(known as the Four Corner's High) builds over this part of the country,
attended by the climatological onset of the Southwest Summer Monsoon. Given the
weak El Nino this summer, it is thought that the Four Corner's High could be
shifted somewhat northward of its climatological position, resulting in a
delayed onset of the Monsoon. |
Any predictions of economic impacts from GW are just pie in the sky. The events are extreme - beyond previously known records or situations.
General effects like a 7% increase in atmospheric H2O per 1C increase are easy - but that has nothing to do with localized or regional effects or economic costs.
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thunderhead Member
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Ahh the hysterics are back in fashion i see. Some part of the Mississippi river or its tributaries always floods and minor segments of DC got a pretty modest flash flood from isolated slow moving thunderstorms... utterly normal.
Now with New Orleans possibly flooding this weekend we are in for another end of the world media hypefest. Because a city built at and below sea level on the banks of a river that always floods and also on a tropical storm coast could never possibly flood on its own...
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thunderhead Member
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RandyHiker wrote: | Well -- you in two posts earlier summarily dismissed any information from Skeptical Science-- so I followed your lead. |
And todays lesson shall be... how to determine trustworthiness of sites on the internet 101.
1) If it ends in ".com" it is less likely to be reliable, especially when its main links are to other .coms and data is lacking.
2) if it ends in .gov or .edu it is more likely to be reliable, especially if it is a noted purveyor of scientific data in its field.
Class dismissed.
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Parked Out Member
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If you actually want a response from me you'll need to drop the snottiness.
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Randito Snarky Member
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:14 pm
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thunderhead wrote: | RandyHiker wrote: | Well -- you in two posts earlier summarily dismissed any information from Skeptical Science-- so I followed your lead. |
And todays lesson shall be... how to determine trustworthiness of sites on the internet 101.
1) If it ends in ".com" it is less likely to be reliable, especially when its main links are to other .coms and data is lacking.
2) if it ends in .gov or .edu it is more likely to be reliable, especially if it is a noted purveyor of scientific data in its field.
Class dismissed. |
Given that foxnews.com, MSNBC.com and WSJ.com all end in .com I think .com is insufficient evidence to evaluate the credibility of the information on a site.
You out of hand dismissed the information on SkepticalScience.com because it was inconvenient to refute the actual data presented.
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thunderhead Member
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RandyHiker wrote: | Given that foxnews.com, MSNBC.com and WSJ.com all end in .com I think .com is insufficient evidence to evaluate the credibility of the information on a site. |
Not one of those 3 has the slightest shred of scientific credibility. The first 2 are worth absolutely nothing, and WSJ might be worth a very small amount for maybe getting some simple economic news right from time to time. So the point stands. .com is generally to be avoided if you want credibility.
RandyHiker wrote: | You out of hand dismissed the information on SkepticalScience.com because it was inconvenient to refute the actual data" |
Lol there was data? Haha. Where amongst the nonsense blog posts and hysterical wolf crying was this so called data?
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thunderhead Member
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You know you have reached a totally bogus site when a tab is labelled "arguments" another is labeled "donate" and not one contains the word "data".
Lol skepticalscience.com might as well be antivax-healingcrystals.com
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Randito Snarky Member
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:51 pm
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thunderhead wrote: | You know you have reached a totally bogus site when a tab is labelled "arguments" another is labeled "donate" and not one contains the word "data".
Lol skepticalscience.com might as well be antivax-healingcrystals.com |
Again a simple broad brush dismal.
I posted links to specific refutations of a number popular of Climate Change denial theories. You haven't refuted any of the specific cases.
In reflecting on the various climate change denial theories posted in this thread by yourself, MtnGoat and others, I'm not recalling anything that isn't covered by SkepticalScience.com list of popular climate change denial theories.
So it seems that there isn't a lot of original thinking or research going on...
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thunderhead Member
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You posted a link to a trash blog and I indeed dismissed the entire thing as trash, after a quick glance showed no data and multiple simple physics errors. Come back with something that isnt trash if you want me to give it any significant attention.
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Tom Admin
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Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:12 pm
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