[Kim Brown]

Joker, I think you're right; LNT messaging on organizations' social media are fairly new. Too, a lot of folks aren't engaged in organizational social media as they once were (rather, pages like WHC are the in-thing - - - or are they on the way out too...? ). Could be that we might need the Generations of Bad Habits to die off, leaving people who, since babyhood were immersed in good stewardship. Someone up-thread pointed out an intriguing thing: That American's are a more independent people, so we're more difficult to reign in. I guess some just like to be rascals who do the opposite of what's right.

[Cyclopath]

I went hiking with two friends in Connecticut once. One of them, from Connecticut, didn't think twice about leaving his trash on the ground in the woods. The other said something that made an impression on him: "I'm from California, it's so polluted you wouldn't believe it, I never saw a place this clean until I was an adult. You should appreciate what you have."

[Malachai Constant]

[Ski]

I am taking the liberty of posting this email from Mr. Wood here. The PSA he refers to is HERE:

From: Terry Wood Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 11:38 PM To: skimohawk Subject: Got your message Thanks for attempting to connect with me via the newspaper. My editor passed your note along to me. That same editor regrettably deleted a portion of a comment from Craig Romano in my story that cited the effectiveness of the 1971 weeping Native American/Keep America Beautiful PSA and the salubrious effect it had, albeit temporarily, on most citizens' propensity to dump and run with their trash. It is my faint hope that my article might stir up a similar spirit throughout our outdoor community, perhaps catching the fleeting attention of newcomers to wilderness exploration and persuading them to reconsider their indifferent approach to managing their garbage. It's a faint hope, but a hope nevertheless. Your community at NWHikers contributed some worthwhile, rational comments on this topic. If only public discourse could maintain that level of civility on a broader scale. There's another faint hope we can cling to. Thanks again for making the effort to connect. Terry

[Sky Hiker]

I remember that commercial, it actually ran for a while so it made more of an impression.

[Schenk]

[vibramhead]

[vibramhead]

Ah yes, good old Iron Eyes, an Italian-American actor. One would have thought that the beverage industry could at least have found a real Native American to aid them in their battle against bottle-deposit laws.

[puzzlr]

[Ski]

[joker]

[Arginine]

[quote]Well, sir, I have been misinformed and I thank you very much for pointing out that article, which makes perfect sense and seems perfectly credible. [quote] I don't think you can count Mother Jones as a "credible" source. It's well known to be hyper-partisan left and more of a biased magazine than a news source. So consider it an opinion piece rather than a factual story. To be sure, there are far worse sources. Check out the latest Skeptical Enquirer issue. It has an article showing media bias across a number of sources. [quote]The question, then, is WHY do we allow these manufacturers to continue these practices?[quote] WHY do we absolve the slobs throwing the trash around and blame the manufacturers? They aren't telling people to toss empty Bud cans out the window. The people make the choice themselves. Get on their case. I do agree that there is way too much packaging for stuff and that drives my choices at the store. That's a much better way of effecting change than contacting a politician.

[Ski]

joker, it was an almost a rhetorical question, because (unless I'm mixed up again) I've seen attempts to get deposits on bottles and cans passed here with citizen initiatives and they failed. I doubt there's a great deal of political will in Olympia to go up against Coca-Cola and the other beverage manufacturers here. Arginine, I suppose that the way to find out would be to start digging and find out who really paid for all those television advertisements we were watching in the 1960s. Obviously, I was misinformed, as I thought they were paid for with federal funding. Whether "Mother Jones" is "left" or "right" isn't an indicator of whether or not the statements in the article are true - fact doesn't change because of political affiliation. No one has suggested that individuals not be held accountable for their own actions, but in the case of disposable beverage containers and food containers and all other things disposable and designed for single use, the manufacturers most certainly are complicit in burying the planet in garbage.

[seattlenativemike]

This WTA post calling out a few guys who had campfires and left cig butts around Minotaur Lake really aggravates WTA Post

[SwitchbackFisher]