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Snowbrushy
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Since the mountain man days there's been a keen interest in the fur bearing critters around Lakes Payette and Cascade, Idaho. And other places. Most animals had been trapped out and furs traded or sold to the HBC before the settlement period, after the Indian Wars. This is an interesting article and video containing historic film footage from the modern period when the fur bearing animals were re-introduced to the primitive areas. Muskrat, Martin, and a successful scheme to parachute beaver into the backcountry.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/10/newly-discovered-1950s-film-shows-idaho-fish-and-games-parachuting-beavers/
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Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
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 Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:43 pm |
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Interesting to see the Fish & Wildlife guys handling live animals without gloves.
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Pyrites
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Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:25 pm |
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Yes, the no gloves was a bit much.
Was the initial sweep of trapping so effective that drainages were bereft of beavers?
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Humptulips
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| Pyrites wrote: | | Yes, the no gloves was a bit much.
Was the initial sweep of trapping so effective that drainages were bereft of beavers? |
Yes it was. Of course their was a big demand for beaver in the early 1800s but there was also political reasons why beaver were trapped so hard. HBC was trying to keep the Americans out. By wiping the beaver out they hoped to stop the free trappers (trailblazers).
I did not really understand the marten and especially the muskrat relocations. I don't think there was ever a place where they were in need of this.
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Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:35 pm |
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| Pyrites wrote: | | "Was the initial sweep of trapping so effective that drainages were bereft of beavers?" |
Yes. Actually it was the "North West Company", not the Hudson's Bay Company, and it was done under the auspices of the British Crown to discourage settlement of what is now Washington, Oregon, and Idaho by "the Americans", the rationale being that the only thing of any value around here was fur, and if they trapped out every drainage nobody would want the area.
Guess it didn't occur to them that people might want timber or good bottomland for farming. 
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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Humptulips
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| Ski wrote: | | Pyrites wrote: | | "Was the initial sweep of trapping so effective that drainages were bereft of beavers?" |
Yes. Actually it was the "North West Company", not the Hudson's Bay Company, and it was done under the auspices of the British Crown to discourage settlement of what is now Washington, Oregon, and Idaho by "the Americans", the rationale being that the only thing of any value around here was fur, and if they trapped out every drainage nobody would want the area.
Guess it didn't occur to them that people might want timber or good bottomland for farming. |
I believe it was both. North West Company from 1807 to 1821 and HBC from 1821 to 1846.
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Snowbrushy
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| Humptulips wrote: | | in the early 1800s but there was also political reasons why beaver were trapped so hard. HBC was trying to keep the Americans out. By wiping the beaver out they hoped to stop the free trappers (trailblazers). |
At some point there had been a "joint occupation" by the US and GB. The NW border between the two countries was to be decided by a European king or court. Still, there was fierce competition for fur, with the English having already set up a smart business model back east on the St. Lawrence river, etc., and running off the French trappers there. Their secrecy was key to the model. They did the same thing in the Columbia District, as it was called. They got to the remote areas first and they trapped everything out. Everything with fur! The American fur trappers around the Rocky Mountains did the same.
When the American wagon trains started to roll into the Oregon Country the big industrial strength fur business was starting to wane. This was a settlement period involving farmers and not trappers. There is a difference for the sake of the history. The farmers are civilians and not a part of the fur business.
The British tried in vain to advertise in the greater London area to bring their citizens to the NW offering 160 acres and stock and farm tools in the Cowlitz bottom land where they begun a huge farm under lucrative contract to provision the Russian settlements up north, but for some reason the English citizens wouldn't immigrate here and settle. (Someone wrote that it was because of inadequate advertising).
To be fair, The Hudsons Bay Company was very gracious, generous, and even protective of the new settler farmers from the United States on both sides of the Columbia river around Vancouver/Portland.
The HBC in Victoria, BC. 1950's Retail Business.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
Oh Pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream Heed the path that led me to that place Yellow desert stream.
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mountainsandsound
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| Pyrites wrote: | | Yes, the no gloves was a bit much. |
I've always thought it was strange that beavers or rabbits, presumably able to take a human finger off with a quick nibble, do not bite in self defense.
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coldrain108
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Since I have no expectations of forgiveness, I don't do it in the first place. That loop hole needs to be closed to everyone.
Since I have no expectations of forgiveness, I don't do it in the first place. That loop hole needs to be closed to everyone.
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IanB
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I'd been thinking that Snowbrushy's thread title would make an excellent name for a band - and now there's even cover art for their first album. 
"Forget gaining a little knowledge about a lot and strive to learn a lot about a little." - Harvey Manning
"Forget gaining a little knowledge about a lot and strive to learn a lot about a little." - Harvey Manning
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Pyrites
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:26 pm |
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Keep Calm and Carry On?
Heck No.
Stay Excited and Get Outside!
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Pyrites
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Scottish beavers. We’ve all seen trees cut down by beavers. We’ve also heard beavers are sometimes killed by the tree.
I’ve never seen beavers drop a tree. See from 2:00 to about 2:15 on this YouTube. The tree drops, and the beaver bugs out, safely, if a little late.
Best.
https://tinyurl.com/beaverdroppingtree
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