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PostSun Sep 15, 2019 6:54 pm 
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Move the parking lot to Bridge Creek, close the road.  Then Colchuck will be 7.3 miles and 3400 ft of elevation from the TH.  That will put an end to the "casual" day hikers/runners.  All the parking tickets, permit-rationing schemes will only generate new issues, conflicts, and debates.  The over-use will continue until the access is physically more difficult for the off-the-couch crowd.

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PostSun Sep 15, 2019 7:03 pm 
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If gatekeeping is the answer then the bridges over the Icicle could be removed to really keep the crowds elite.
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PostSun Sep 15, 2019 7:18 pm 
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Downhill wrote:
Move the parking lot to Bridge Creek, close the road.  Then Colchuck will be 7.3 miles and 3400 ft of elevation from the TH.  That will put an end to the "casual" day hikers/runners.  All the parking tickets, permit-rationing schemes will only generate new issues, conflicts, and debates.  The over-use will continue until the access is physically more difficult for the off-the-couch crowd.

Adding a few miles of road walking for Colchuck would work about as well as it did for Blanca.  The loop would become 21 instead of 18 miles, not a deal breaker for most.  But yeah the current parking thing is absurd.  Wonder what folks who were turned away ended up doing instead.
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PostSun Sep 15, 2019 7:48 pm 
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My first Mountaineers climb was Dragontail Peak in June 2000. Back then you could get a core zone permit any time you wanted. You could also find parking in the lot any time you wanted. It was a special place to visit.

A month ago I went up to Aasgard Pass. Parked cars lined both sides of the road from Eightmile all the way to the Stuart parking lot. Most people hiking up to Colchuck looked like they had no business being on a wilderness trail. The numbers and demographic was close to what you'd expect to see at Paradise. It was gross.

I totally agree with this move. It's been overrun by people who haven't put in the years and miles to earn it. Let them enjoy Mount Si and Talapus Lake.
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PostSun Sep 15, 2019 8:07 pm 
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This is gate keeping pure and simple. Keep the masses out so an elite few can have a better experience. Seems to be the way most things are set up these days, pull up that ladder!
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PostSun Sep 15, 2019 8:35 pm 
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eek.gif  I haven't even been up to this trailhead for a couple years I think.  Even just that recently it wasn't nearly this much of a fiasco.  Sounds like maybe more trouble than it's worth anymore.  I guess it's a good thing I got in quite a few trips up there previously.

That is a good question of where folks will redirect to.  Most of them probably drove a decent distance and aren't just gonna turn around and go home.  Time to overrun the previously fairly reasonable Chiwaukams?
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PostMon Sep 16, 2019 7:04 am 
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olderthanIusedtobe wrote:
Time to overrun the previously fairly reasonable Chiwaukams?

With backpacking already being regulated it's really the day hikers that are going to have to find another spot.   2000' of vert and 8 miles roundtrip seems like sort of the sweet spot for how far people are willing to dayhike. 

I'm no expert on Chiwaukums but seems like everything on the north side of Icicle Creek or south of Hwy 2 is just on a different scale that the hike to Colchuck Lake.  16 miles RT to Lake Margaret or 4000' of up on Chatter Creek is going to shut down tons of day hikers.  No one's going to hike up Wildhorse Creek 5+ miles for some modest views of sort of open meadows.   Not to mention while it's all pretty it's not the ***** snapshot of Dragontail behind Colchuck Lake.

So where does everyone go?  Ingalls Lake seems like a well known, pretty and reasonably close (on the way back to Seattle) spot.    Will be curious to see if any areas see particularly higher impact. 

And how long can they keep a ranger standing at the start of the road?   I see a lot of illegal parking in the near future.
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PostMon Sep 16, 2019 9:08 am 
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I say give permit holders 1 parking spot, and they can purchase more.  The remaining parking spots can be bought and reserved.  Not cheap.  Say 30 dollars?

Use money to keep outhouses clean, garbage emptied and parking well enforced.  A friendly parking lot keeper would be a benefit to all.

Contract with a shuttle company, seems like enough people want to be out there that 10 dollars a head would make bank.
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PostMon Sep 16, 2019 9:41 am 
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Jeff wrote:
If gatekeeping is the answer then the bridges over the Icicle could be removed to really keep the crowds elite.

I think closing the entire Icicle would keep it even more elite. After all, no off the couch citizen should have simple access to a couple places which are great and don't require continuous workouts to get to in a day. ALL of the mountains should require the dedication the hard cases put into it, it's their playground after all.

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PostMon Sep 16, 2019 9:42 am 
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nickmtn wrote:
This is gate keeping pure and simple. Keep the masses out so an elite few can have a better experience. Seems to be the way most things are set up these days, pull up that ladder!

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PostMon Sep 16, 2019 10:12 am 
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I dont know, it kinda sounds like the only way to get a parking spot right now is to sleep in your car.

I kinda feel like when places reach a certain level of popularity, they need to be managed.

This is one of them.  The parking situation is a safety issue.
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PostMon Sep 16, 2019 10:36 am 
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nickmtn wrote:
This is gate keeping pure and simple. Keep the masses out so an elite few can have a better experience. Seems to be the way most things are set up these days, pull up that ladder!

Complete nonsense based apparently on paranoia and brainwashing. There is zero element of "gatekeeping" here. No evidence is provided by the complainer, that's a giveaway right there. Then he claims this non-existent gatekeeping is everywhere! If it "seems" to him that his fantasy is true, then his "seemer" is clearly broken.

There are issues related to overcrowding. It cannot be dealt with other than to reduce the crowds. Wow, how hard is that to understand?

So, lets use the mtn goat method: let everyone do anything they want, then when catastrophe ensues, blame everyone and everything except for the brainless decision that  led to the disaster.

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PostMon Sep 16, 2019 10:41 am 
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You can tell mtn goat has zero idea of what this thread is about, when he appears to claim that 4,800 vertical feet is a dayhike that average people can easily do without "working out". And that is just to get to the edge of the Enchantments from the current trailhead.

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PostMon Sep 16, 2019 11:06 am 
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I suggest you re-read the argument you are griping about.

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PostMon Sep 16, 2019 12:04 pm 
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slabbyd wrote:
olderthanIusedtobe wrote:
Time to overrun the previously fairly reasonable Chiwaukams?

With backpacking already being regulated it's really the day hikers that are going to have to find another spot.t

Parking is on a first come first served basis.  If there's an empty, legal parking spot when you arrive, or if there isn't, it doesn't matter whether you have an overnight permit.
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