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Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:58 pm
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"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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Malachai Constant Member
Joined: 13 Jan 2002 Posts: 16088 | TRs | Pics Location: Back Again Like A Bad Penny |
Cut, burn, and head North. Same as it ever was.
"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
"You do not laugh when you look at the mountains, or when you look at the sea." Lafcadio Hearn
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Seventy2002 Member
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Ski ><((((°>
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:07 am
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Taxpayers for Common Sense, in the article cited above wrote: | The federal government has a responsibility to ensure a fair return to the public for development of taxpayer-owned resources. |
They do?
What's the statute number?
There's no law that says the United States Forest Service has to make a profit, or even break even, on any timber sales or on sales of "other forest products" (e.g., mushrooms, berries, salal, beargrass, boughs, etc.)
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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thunderhead Member
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No more logging old growth!
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Chief Joseph Member
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"Alaska Republican Gov. Mike Dunleavy has said he personally raised the forest's productive potential with President Donald Trump. He said the 2001 rule "shut down the timber industry in Southeast Alaska, wiping out jobs and economic opportunity," but the new proposal is "the first step to rebuilding an entire industry, putting Alaskans back to work, and diversifying Alaska's economy."
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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treeswarper Alleged Sockpuppet!
Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 11272 | TRs | Pics Location: Don't move here |
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:40 pm
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thunderhead wrote: | No more logging old growth! |
Define old growth please. It seems to change and I do not know what it is anymore.
This post is neither for or against the "logging". But I would like a definition of old growth.
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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Downhill Member
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Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:22 pm
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Environmental regulations didn't kill the logging industry, that's simply industry propaganda. The true causes are self-inflicted. Overharvesting, greed, and resource mismanagement are the root-causes.
I'm all for sustainable logging.
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treeswarper Alleged Sockpuppet!
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:23 am
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Downhill wrote: | Environmental regulations didn't kill the logging industry, that's simply industry propaganda. The true causes are self-inflicted. Overharvesting, greed, and resource mismanagement are the root-causes.
I'm all for sustainable logging. |
Uh, the logging industry is not dead. As you haven't specified the location of the death, I'll say that it is going on in the lower 48. It's more mechanized now, but still going. The recession/depression winnowed it out more. What I've found is that the bad operators are gone and the remaining/surviving folks are pretty good, and pretty good to work with.
There is a timber sale/fuels reduction going on along highway 20--right up to the road on Loup Loup Pass and it looks like a beautiful piece of work. I had to slow down as a crew was dragging slash across the highway to pile.
Overall, I found a whole new attitude change from when I started working around it in the 1980s. Loggers are much more professional now and concerned about "how things look". Of course, there probably are still a few bad uns out there somewhere.
Equipment for going mechanized is extremely expensive, but so are the L&I insurance costs. Also, finding good people to work for them is a problem. Not many people want to be out in the weather for $16/hr with layoffs for various reasons.
As far as I'm concerned, logging has always been sustainable. I've seen some areas grow back that I doubted would, at the time they were logged. Since then, the same areas have been precommercially thinned and the trees putting on growth. If it was non sustainable, we would have no industry at all.
I see no reason to stir things up in Alaska. We know how to grow and harvest forests here in the lower 48, where trees grow well.
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
What's especially fun about sock puppets is that you can make each one unique and individual, so that they each have special characters. And they don't have to be human––animals and aliens are great possibilities
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