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Do you want a self-driving car?
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No only no, but HELL NO!!!
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Yes
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PostThu Nov 07, 2019 7:45 am 
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neek wrote:
That seems awfully optimistic.  They might keep a few specimens frozen in a lab, like we keep smallpox.

Here is another excellent science fiction short story about the dangers of too much dependance on technology , published in 1909.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops

Here's are Steve Wozniac's thoughts on the AI future and humans status as pets.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jun/25/apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-says-humans-will-be-robots-pets
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PostThu Nov 07, 2019 10:05 am 
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The commercialized autonomous cars in there testing areas are, importantly, now collecting data that will also be useful for the future level 5’s. The shift away from personally owned vehicles and toward a tech-enabled EV transportation system is indeed in our future, sooner in some areas, like dense urban centers, than others. It does make me smile a bit when i see some of the contributors in these kind of threads do an overindulgence of skepticism based on no real knowledge...
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PostThu Nov 07, 2019 11:33 am 
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Ghost wants to retrofit your car so it can drive itself on highways in 2020
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PostThu Nov 07, 2019 5:44 pm 
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PostFri Nov 08, 2019 9:12 am 
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time for REAL driving skill tests before handing over a license to kill.  If one can't pass some real emergency recovery and avoidance skill tests they get relegated to an "autonomous" driver's license.

Even 1 DUI means you are permanently relegated to autonomous mode...same with reckless driving, aggressive driving, distracted driving or loss of skills due to age/disease.  If one can't pay total attention while driving and have complete control of one's vehicle then they lose the right to endanger the rest of us.

This is about safety since we allow poor drivers to drive because they need to be able to get to and from work/school etc, this may provide a work-around by allowing these folks a way to get where they need to go w/o undue risk to the competent drivers, pedestrians and cyclists.

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PostFri Nov 08, 2019 3:03 pm 
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I want a Self Sailing Nuclear Submarine! moon.gif

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PostFri Nov 08, 2019 4:02 pm 
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coldrain108 wrote:
time for REAL driving skill tests before handing over a license to kill.  If one can't pass some real emergency recovery and avoidance skill tests they get relegated to an "autonomous" driver's license.

Even 1 DUI means you are permanently relegated to autonomous mode...same with reckless driving, aggressive driving, distracted driving or loss of skills due to age/disease.  If one can't pay total attention while driving and have complete control of one's vehicle then they lose the right to endanger the rest of us.

This is about safety since we allow poor drivers to drive because they need to be able to get to and from work/school etc, this may provide a work-around by allowing these folks a way to get where they need to go w/o undue risk to the competent drivers, pedestrians and cyclists.

They let me take my written test in braille.
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PostFri Nov 08, 2019 8:31 pm 
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Another wonderful thing about self driving cars is parking will be a headache of the past.  😁
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PostSat Nov 09, 2019 11:55 am 
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Dogs are the answer here. These self driving cars are only gonna be so good. We gotta get dogs trained up to be behind the wheel of these cars. The dogs can push the button to start and stop the cars and more or less just sit there doing basic controls. So we manufacture cars that are 90% self driving then leave that last 10% to the dogs. Dogs are smart enough to control a mostly self driving car. It's kind of like a dog sledding type deal only it's a car. Every car on the road has a dog behind the wheel, it will be humanity's next big leap in taming animals

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PostSat Nov 09, 2019 4:29 pm 
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RandyHiker wrote:
Predictions of "mandatory" use of self-driving cars are baseless.

Not sure I go along with that.  I can certainly foresee a future within my lifetime where all new cars are required to be autonomous.

All that has to happen for this to become reality is evidence that autonomous cars are safer than human controlled cars.  This will surely happen as the technology matures.

Just look at all the required safety equipment on new cars that was optional or simply didn't exist even 20 years ago.  Most notable - backup cameras, tire pressure monitors, and vehicle stability control.

All that tech just adds to the expense and complexity (and weight) of modern cars. Backup cameras and stability control systems started out as options on high end cars and now they're required on EVERY car.

To think that they won't be made mandatory once the bugs are worked out and it's shown that autonomous driving systems don't fall asleep at the wheel, don't get drunk, don't have heart attacks or seizures, don't drive aggressively/recklessly, never get distracted, and generally are involved in far fewer accidents & fatalities than non-autonomous vehicles is wishful thinking.

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PostSat Nov 09, 2019 4:46 pm 
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Bedivere wrote:
RandyHiker wrote:
Predictions of "mandatory" use of self-driving cars are baseless.

Not sure I go along with that.  I can certainly foresee a future within my lifetime where all new cars are required to be autonomous.

All that has to happen for this to become reality is evidence that autonomous cars are safer than human controlled cars.  This will surely happen as the technology matures.

Just look at all the required safety equipment on new cars that was optional or simply didn't exist even 20 years ago.  Most notable - backup cameras, tire pressure monitors, and vehicle stability control.

All that tech just adds to the expense and complexity (and weight) of modern cars. Backup cameras and stability control systems started out as options on high end cars and now they're required on EVERY car.

To think that they won't be made mandatory once the bugs are worked out and it's shown that autonomous driving systems don't fall asleep at the wheel, don't get drunk, don't have heart attacks or seizures, don't drive aggressively/recklessly, never get distracted, and generally are involved in far fewer accidents & fatalities than non-autonomous vehicles is wishful thinking.

I wouldn't be surprised if with a decade or two that all new cars sold will be required to have self driving capabilities.

But it's been more than three decades since catalytic converters were required for all new vehicles,  yet it is still legal to operate older vehicles without a catalytic converter.

If anything what will happen in a couple of decades is that insurance companies will offer cheaper rates for autonomous only vehicles based on an established record of safe operation.

But outright outlawing of human driven vehicles seems highly improbable for several generations.

I can envision my grandchildren (now 4 and 6) never learning to drive a motor vehicle or particularly caring too.
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PostSat Nov 09, 2019 7:16 pm 
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Self driving cars will dovetail with shared use instead of private ownership.  In cities, this means not having to find/pay for parking, not worrying about it being broken into, and you won't have to maintain insurance or registration - like an Uber or a taxi.

You'll be able to rent one for several days for a hike, and it will drive itself to the TH you'll end up hike at, no more complicated logistics involving favors from friends.

Who wouldn't want all of this??

It'll take longer for that to happen outside cities, but the population keeps rising, and places that used to be smaller towns are getting more crowded.
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PostSat Nov 09, 2019 8:16 pm 
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Cyclopath wrote:
and it will drive itself to the TH you'll end up hike at

Oh yeah!! So I can smoke as much weed as I want on the way there! And assuming it'll drive me back, drink as much beer as I want on the way back. Course i bet rates will skyrocket if you're to drunk to exit the vehicle and just pass out in it in front of your house or living arrangement.

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PostSat Nov 09, 2019 10:16 pm 
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If you're drunk enough it'll take the long way and charge you extra.  Those robots are shifty.

My phone wanted to typo shifty.  I'll leave it to your imagination what came out instead.
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PostTue Nov 12, 2019 10:39 am 
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Who wouldn't want all of this? Folks not interested in having their mobility and options constrained by not owning their vehicle.

If that's what you value, awesome. Just leave other folks alone to choose other values and actions and there's no reason for conflict.

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