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PostTue Dec 31, 2019 9:04 am 
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Just FYI, it sounds like a "giant battery" will be constructed near Bridgeport.  Water from the Columbia will be pumped uphill during times of low power usage, and then allowed to flow back down through a generator when more power is needed.   Shell Oil is backing the project.

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PostTue Dec 31, 2019 10:18 am 
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Water is pumped up to the Grand Coulee, then back through turbines that drain into Roosevelt in the same manner.

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PostTue Dec 31, 2019 10:34 am 
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Doppelganger wrote:
It's very clear that you are trying to attribute the California PGE shutoffs to renewable energy sources, since you were replying to a comment that was specifically about displacement due to the PGE shutoffs.

I was commenting upon the larger issues with PGE and these additional arguments were not intended to address the fire issues. The topic is people leaving CA, a sub issue is power system instability and this one is my assertion of what other instabilities they are facing, not just due to fires.

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Now let's look at your next reply, where you completely drop any reference to renewable sources and how they may have directly attributed to the PGE shutoffs (as I challenged you to show), and instead just go an a ramble/rant with some soft anti-renewable talking points:

I didn't claim fire related shutoff were due to intermittent energy generation, even though there may be increased susceptibilities because of all the extra lines/infrastructure which must be added. You challenged me to show something on the basis of an assertion I did not make. I'm not responsible for defending arguments I didn't make.

Calling arguments talking points does not make them untrue.

I do appreciate the detailed breakdown of your approach, it make it easier to respond.

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PostTue Dec 31, 2019 12:31 pm 
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MtnGoat wrote:
I was commenting upon the larger issues with PGE and these additional arguments were not intended to address the fire issues.

Sorry MG, I apologize for misreading your post and subsequently attacking you based on that misinterpretation. My assessment of your resoluteness stands.
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PostTue Dec 31, 2019 2:08 pm 
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Pyrites wrote:
Water is pumped up to the Grand Coulee, then back through turbines that drain into Roosevelt in the same manner.

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Banks Lake.

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PostTue Dec 31, 2019 2:10 pm 
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I thought Banks Lake sits in the Grand Coulee.
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PostTue Dec 31, 2019 2:14 pm 
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Pyrites wrote:
I thought Banks Lake sits in the Grand Coulee.

It's in a coulee, for sure.  I looked it up and it is in the Grand Coulee.  It's used for irrigation as well.

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PostTue Dec 31, 2019 2:41 pm 
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treeswarper wrote:
It's used for irrigation as well.

Banks Lake is the feeder reservoir for the Columbia Basin Irrigation project -- that is it's primary purpose.   There are 12 pump turbines for raising water from Lake Roosevelt to Banks lake and just 2 reversible pump turbines that can generate power by draining water from Banks Lake to Lake Roosevelt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Coulee_Dam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Basin_Project#Grand_Coulee_Dam_Complex_and_Lake_Roosevelt

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According to the federal Bureau of Reclamation the yearly value of the Columbia Basin Project is $630 million in irrigated crops, $950 million in power production, $20 million in flood damage prevention, and $50 million in recreation.
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PostTue Dec 31, 2019 3:54 pm 
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treeswarper wrote:
It's used for irrigation as well.

Banks Lake is the feeder reservoir for the Columbia Basin Irrigation project -- that is it's primary purpose.   There are 12 pump turbines for raising water from Lake Roosevelt to Banks lake and just 2 reversible pump turbines that can generate power by draining water from Banks Lake to Lake Roosevelt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Coulee_Dam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Basin_Project#Grand_Coulee_Dam_Complex_and_Lake_Roosevelt

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According to the federal Bureau of Reclamation the yearly value of the Columbia Basin Project is $630 million in irrigated crops, $950 million in power production, $20 million in flood damage prevention, and $50 million in recreation.


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PostTue Dec 31, 2019 4:57 pm 
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Thank you for man splaining.

It's one word ("mansplaining").  FYI.
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Could this be a result of the migration?   People who do not understand the ways of snowplows?
We are now having the type of winter that I would call "normal".
Snowplowers Threatened

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