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PostWed Jan 08, 2020 9:45 pm 
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To better understand this problem, Oregon State University is in the middle of an extensive study of the marbled murrelet. Since 2015, researchers have tagged 101 female murrelets at sea. Of those, only 12 have even attempted to fly to shore to nest. The implication is that there could be limiting factors in marbled murrelet population dynamics beyond habitat availability. Researchers will likely examine such factors, including food supply at sea, in the coming months and years. This is important research that should help inform plans for how to best support marbled murrelet populations. We are disappointed that Washington forest managers have decided to move forward with such a massive investment and convert productive forestland into habitat before this research is complete.

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Good heavens!  What could a lumber company that owns a lot of forest land and has actual foresters working on those lands possibly know about....forestry and the ecosystems of those forests which is .....forestry?

Must go make some ......  coffee, the elixir of forestry.

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PostFri Jan 10, 2020 10:56 am 
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https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/news/marbled-murrelet-plans-spark-lawsuits/
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PostFri Jan 10, 2020 2:17 pm 
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Interesting. So in addition to Skagit County, Wahkiakum, Pacific, Skamania, and Mason County are all arguing DNR is not logging state trust lands fast enough. However, it appears that even though entities inside Clallam and Jefferson County have joined the fight, both Clallam and Jefferson County themselves, have not joined in any lawsuits (yet). And King, Snohomish, Pierce, Kitsap, Thurston, Whatcom, and Clark (who all have state trust forests) have not joined in any lawsuits. So it seems the counties' position on this issue comes down to whether you are a left or right leaning county.

Here's a map of state trust forests in Washington State:

https://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/eng_rms_trustlands_map_nu2.pdf
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fiefdom [feef dum] (n.)
1. the estate or domain of a feudal lord.
2. (informal) anything, as an organization or real estate, owned or controlled by one dominant person or group.

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PostSat Jan 11, 2020 7:38 am 
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The lawsuits stem from how DNR decisions or plans effect the local community. Forks and the west end are getting kicked in the .... once again over another bird.

"And King, Snohomish, Pierce, Kitsap, Thurston, Whatcom, and Clark (who all have state trust forests) have not joined in any lawsuits."

They are unaffected bcause there is no Marbled bird habitat inland just on the coast. They are logging as normal maybe more to make up for what is not coming fron the west end.
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PostSat Jan 11, 2020 10:54 am 
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Marbled Murrelet habitat is anything within 50 miles of salt water.  There are areas that have had seasonal restrictions as far away as Randle because of that.  The Sound is.....salt water.
One should have the big limbed, gnarldy trees that they are said to favor, though.  I doubt that comes in to play but I am cynical about this.  There were no trees WITHIN the timber sale units I am familiar with that were north of Randle.  But restrictions were put in place.  No logging until??  and then not until an hour after sunrise and stopping an hour before sunset.

That is, unless the range/habitat definition has changed in the last ten years.

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PostSun Jan 12, 2020 7:21 pm 
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There were no trees WITHIN the timber sale units

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PostSun Jan 12, 2020 8:21 pm 
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There were no trees WITHIN the timber sale units

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Should have said, No suitable murrelet trees.  My bad.

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