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PostWed Jan 08, 2020 10:45 pm 
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To better understand this problem, Oregon State University is in the middle of an extensive study of the marbled murrelet. Since 2015, researchers have tagged 101 female murrelets at sea. Of those, only 12 have even attempted to fly to shore to nest. The implication is that there could be limiting factors in marbled murrelet population dynamics beyond habitat availability. Researchers will likely examine such factors, including food supply at sea, in the coming months and years. This is important research that should help inform plans for how to best support marbled murrelet populations. We are disappointed that Washington forest managers have decided to move forward with such a massive investment and convert productive forestland into habitat before this research is complete.

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PostThu Jan 09, 2020 7:45 am 
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Good heavens!  What could a lumber company that owns a lot of forest land and has actual foresters working on those lands possibly know about....forestry and the ecosystems of those forests which is .....forestry?

Must go make some ......  coffee, the elixir of forestry.

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PostFri Jan 10, 2020 11:56 am 
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https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/news/marbled-murrelet-plans-spark-lawsuits/
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PostFri Jan 10, 2020 3:17 pm 
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Interesting. So in addition to Skagit County, Wahkiakum, Pacific, Skamania, and Mason County are all arguing DNR is not logging state trust lands fast enough. However, it appears that even though entities inside Clallam and Jefferson County have joined the fight, both Clallam and Jefferson County themselves, have not joined in any lawsuits (yet). And King, Snohomish, Pierce, Kitsap, Thurston, Whatcom, and Clark (who all have state trust forests) have not joined in any lawsuits. So it seems the counties' position on this issue comes down to whether you are a left or right leaning county.

Here's a map of state trust forests in Washington State:

https://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/eng_rms_trustlands_map_nu2.pdf
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fiefdom [feef dum] (n.)
1. the estate or domain of a feudal lord.
2. (informal) anything, as an organization or real estate, owned or controlled by one dominant person or group.

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PostSat Jan 11, 2020 8:38 am 
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The lawsuits stem from how DNR decisions or plans effect the local community. Forks and the west end are getting kicked in the .... once again over another bird.

"And King, Snohomish, Pierce, Kitsap, Thurston, Whatcom, and Clark (who all have state trust forests) have not joined in any lawsuits."

They are unaffected bcause there is no Marbled bird habitat inland just on the coast. They are logging as normal maybe more to make up for what is not coming fron the west end.
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Marbled Murrelet habitat is anything within 50 miles of salt water.  There are areas that have had seasonal restrictions as far away as Randle because of that.  The Sound is.....salt water.
One should have the big limbed, gnarldy trees that they are said to favor, though.  I doubt that comes in to play but I am cynical about this.  There were no trees WITHIN the timber sale units I am familiar with that were north of Randle.  But restrictions were put in place.  No logging until??  and then not until an hour after sunrise and stopping an hour before sunset.

That is, unless the range/habitat definition has changed in the last ten years.

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PostSun Jan 12, 2020 8:21 pm 
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There were no trees WITHIN the timber sale units

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There were no trees WITHIN the timber sale units

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Should have said, No suitable murrelet trees.  My bad.

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If anyone is curious, here is the complaint filed by SKAGIT COUNTY; SEDRO-WOOLLEY, SCHOOL DISTRICT NO. 101, CONCRETE SCHOOL DISTRICT NO. 11, SKAGIT COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT NO. 304 and CENTRAL SKAGIT PARTIAL COUNTY LIBRARY DISTRICT (they want to cut down the trees):

Complaint 1

Here is the complaint filed by  CONCRETE SCHOOL DISTRICT, QUILLAYUTE VALLEY SCHOOL DISTRICT NO. 402, NASELLE-GRAYS RIVER SCHOOL DISTRICT, CLALLAM COUNTY FIRE DISTRICT NUMBER 4, WAHKIAKUM COUNTY, PACIFIC COUNTY, SKAMANIA COUNTY, MASON COUNTY, CITY OF FORKS, and AMERICAN FOREST RESOURCE COUNCIL (they want to cut down the trees):

Complaint 2

Here is the complaint filed by CONSERVATION NORTHWEST, OLYMPIC FOREST COALITION, WASHINGTON ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL, and a bunch of individuals who like trees and don't want them cut down:

Complaint 3

I noticed that Complaint 2 says that at DNR's current rate of tree cutting, DNR earns revenue for the State in excess of $100 million a year. The entities above who want to cut down more trees think this isn't enough money.
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And for the latest in irony, Olympic Forest Coalition includes many former teachers. They are one of the groups suing the DNR for reduced harvests, which places a direct impact on ....


...wait for it...


school funding.

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Olympic Forest Coalition only filed their lawsuit after Skagit County decided to file their suit against DNR trying to get DNR to cut down trees at a faster rate than the status quo. Below are some quotes from Olympic Forest Coalition's complaint, which I believe summarizes their position. Note they are not trying to stop timber harvesting on all State trust lands and concede that the majority of these lands should be harvested. They believe the Washington Constitution requires DNR to consider other factors besides timber harvest revenue:

"Plaintiffs’ success in this suit would require DNR to take into account “all the people” when it makes decisions in managing State forests.  In most instances, that would still entail commercial forestry to generate revenue for specific trust beneficiaries.  A ruling for the plaintiffs would simply give DNR broader authority and obligation to consider more than simply maximizing cash revenue for a narrow subset of Washington residents.  The more inclusive approach complies with the Washington State Constitution, diversifies use of public lands, and allows DNR to adapt to a modern world where forests have increasingly recognized economic and social value."

"The State has the opportunity and obligation to transition from an antiquated system which strictly prioritizes generating revenue from logging to an approach that balances commercial logging with promotion of forest health, diverse regional economies, and the vast carbon sequestration value of some of the world’s most productive forests."

"While revenue from timber harvest on federally granted State lands goes in part to fund public school construction (today comprising less than 10% of such funds), those funds are inconsistent and insufficient. The perverse system of intensively managing public forests to fund school construction—the very forests upon which future generations rely for clean water and a safe climate—is part of an antiquated funding structure that the Washington Supreme Court ruled was “broken” and violates the State constitution. McCleary v. State, 173 Wash. 2d 477, 539, 269 P.3d 227, 258 (2012)."

"DNR’s studies report that it takes at least one million board feet per year of timber volume from public lands to provide just 7.8 jobs. As evidenced by a complaint filed by Skagit County."

"The industrial forestry carried out by DNR creates significant economic harms, particularly in communities where recreation is an economic driver.  In many locations, timber harvest on DNR lands is compatible with the surrounding “working forest” landscape.  In other locations, particularly near rapidly-growing urban or suburban areas, DNR’s trust mandate-driven policy of maintaining an aggressive timber program collides with the interests of local residents or the general recreating public’s desire for public lands that provide clean water, recreation, scenic beauty, and trails running through natural Northwest forests.   In these areas, tourism, recreation, hunting and fishing, and property taxes often provide much greater economic value over time than a timber harvest every 40-70 years (the approximate range of “harvest rotations” typically employed by DNR)."
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Here is the engagement contract between City of Forks and  American Forest Resource Council (a timber trade organization) and Northwest Resource Law (the private law firm representing all the plaintiffs in Complaint 2 above). It basically says American Forest Resource Council gets to call all the shots. American Forest Resource Council represents the interests of approximately 50 lumber and plywood manufacturing companies and landowners throughout Washington, Oregon, California, Idaho, and Montana and purchases the majority of timber from DNR trust lands (so of course they want DNR to cut trees at a faster rate).
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Here is the Mason County-American Forest Resource Council agreement. Same as the City of Forks and I assume it would be the same for all of the other plaintiffs. Does anyone have a problem with a trade organization filing a law suit that would financially benefit that trade organization and a bunch of public entities joining in to support that trade organization? And the trade organization (not the public entities) get to make all decisions on the lawsuit. I can't think of another instance where this has occurred? The trade organization will decide what is best for their members, and not what is good for the public.
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PostSat Feb 01, 2020 6:45 pm 
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And for the latest in irony, Olympic Forest Coalition includes many former teachers. They are one of the groups suing the DNR for reduced harvests, which places a direct impact on ....


...wait for it...


school funding.

It's too bad there's no other way to fund education.
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