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PostWed Feb 12, 2020 6:32 pm 
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Question, my fellow explorers:
I am seeking information about Trail 471, a branch that some old maps show. This trail intersection is obvious at about 5960' where it leads north from the trail leading to Fred's Lake, Lake Doris, and Shellrock Pass, which most people use for access to Osceola, Carru, Lago, etc. As I recall it is signed as 'abandoned,' (or is it 'not maintained' ?) as one hikes up to Fred's Lake

On Dick Pargeter's wonderful pictorial map The North Cascades, East trail 471 contours north to Bark Creek and further to Pleasant Valley Creek, then ascends to the ridge between Lease Creek and Middle Fork Pasayten River, then to Point Defiance before descending through a large burn to 3 Forks  on the Pasayten.

Trail 471 is visible on Google Earth south of Pleasant Valley but I can't see remnants north of there until near the site of a former lookout at Point Defiance, the lookout foundation being clearly visible as a square, obviously manmade ( ok, human made).

Have any of you used this trail 471?

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PostWed Feb 12, 2020 6:54 pm 
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Have you tried calling the Methow Ranger district ?

24 West Chewuch Road
Winthrop, WA 98862

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509-996-4000 Voice
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PostWed Feb 12, 2020 7:35 pm 
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Good idea, Randy.
I know the former district ranger, who had a goal of hiking every trail in the Methow district. Perhaps he can give me some beta.

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PostThu Feb 13, 2020 12:52 am 
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We were up that way a few years back.  Trail was pretty straight forward getting to Pleasant Lk.  We were heading for the lakes on the E side of the ridge, so didn't spend any time looking for the trail going north from the lake, but just angled up the hill to the ridgetop.  You can pretty much walk wherever you want up there.  The little valley above the lake heading toward Osceola Pk is a nice side trip.
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PostSat Feb 22, 2020 12:20 am 
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Iíve been out to that area twice, and honestly donít recall ever seeing a trail sign coming off of the trail that leads to Fredís lake.  That trail would put you onto the ridge north of Osceola, correct?

Based on our experience with other non-maintained trails in that area (specifically north of Shellrock Pass), Iíd be hesitant to count on any maintenance.  Iím due one more trip into that area this summer.
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PostSat Feb 22, 2020 7:52 am 
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There is a sign at the trail junction on the way up to Fred's lake.  It reads "Point Defiance.". I have a picture of it from one of my trips up there.

This map shows the old trail.  Since I've never tried to follow it, can't say much more about it.


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PostSat Feb 22, 2020 8:50 am 
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Thanks for the old map, Bedivere.  I will probably head east from the lake in Pleasant Valley to hit the ridge and follow it to Pt. Defiance. If the trai is shown accurately, it was built before switchbacks were 'invented.'

I remember seeing the sign before Fred's Lake but certainly don't expect any maintenance. I know that the forest around the trail north from the former lookout site  down to Three Forks has been burned and would feature hundreds of downed trees....not going thataway!

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PostWed Mar 04, 2020 11:59 am 
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I recall seeing the Pt Defiance burn area from Ptarmigan/Tatoosh area. It looked gnar. But if you've been through burns you know what to expect.

What is your plan if you don't go N? I've thought it would be spooky and fun to hit Lease. Looks like there's water options on the E side of that Pt Defiance ridge, south of it, as mentioned above. I wonder if anyone has hopped over from the Defiance area S/SE to the Lease "trail".

Personally, I find abandon trails a completely different, challenging, and cool experience.

Getting me thinking about an attempt this summer, too.

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PostWed Mar 04, 2020 1:55 pm 
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We dropped off Ptarmigan down to the Lease trail way back in '91, before any of the recent big burns, and the trail up to the lake was pretty sketchy even then.  Once you arrive at the lake it becomes clearer why the trail was abandoned.
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PostThu Mar 05, 2020 8:42 am 
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Luc wrote:
What is your plan if you don't go N?

Plan is only to go to the site of the former lookout. I 'collect' lookouts and lookout sites, and Pt. Defiance is one of the more obscure and ( I am guessing) seldom-visited ones.
I have little to no interest in descending  the trail to Three Forks because I don't want to step over 587 trees.

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