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Jumble Jowls
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PostSat May 23, 2020 7:12 am 
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This is an incredibly broad topic, but here goes.   COVID has resulted in a sudden, dramatic decline of greenhouse gas emissions and probably other environmentally destructive human behavior.   

For example, 2020 CO2 emissions are estimated to decline 8 percent this year.   From what I've read, humans would need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by about 7 percent each year until at least 2030 to have any chance of meeting the Paris Climate Accord goals.  This year at least, it looks like we're on track -- thanks to the virus.

There is much speculation that the effects of this crisis will result in long term changes in our behavior.   Such as a substantial portion of the workforce working remotely on a permanent basis, instead of getting back on the freeways when the crisis is over (if it ever is over).

And all the other effects, such as the sudden grounding of almost all air travel.   And subtler effects, such as people noticing the beauty of quiet.

So, do you think these changes will be enough to avoid the otherwise certain environmental catastrophe that we have been racing towards?
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PostSat May 23, 2020 8:57 am 
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No.
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PostSat May 23, 2020 9:42 am 
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I think as soon as we have a vaccine we're going to go back to our old ways, forget this ever happened, and learn nothing from the experience except to keep more toilet paper on hand.

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PostSat May 23, 2020 10:23 am 
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Cyclopath wrote:
I think as soon as we have a vaccine we're going to go back to our old ways, forget this ever happened, and learn nothing from the experience except to keep more toilet paper on hand.

^ this.

likely at an accelerated pace.

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PostSat May 23, 2020 3:11 pm 
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Jumble Jowls wrote:
2020 CO2 emissions are estimated to decline 8 percent this year.  From what I've read, humans would need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by about 7 percent each year until at least 2030 to have any chance of meeting the Paris Climate Accord goals.  This year at least, it looks like we're on track -- thanks to the virus.

I've been anticipating articles about the  decline in CO2 levels and other pollution due to the pandemic. We now have a better idea of what it would take, in practical terms, to reach the levels recommended by the Paris Accord. Clearly a level that the world economy, and people's psyches, can't tolerate.

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PostSat May 23, 2020 4:24 pm 
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Based on the traffic observed on I-90 and the Middle Fork rd today,  I think it is premature to predict and significant long term reduction in CO2 emissions based on Coronavirus alone.
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PostSat May 23, 2020 5:26 pm 
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We've committed economic suicide for a virus that has a 98.9% recovery rate for anyone UNDER 60.  As a nation and a people we are FOOLS!  The ONLY people that needed to locked in were those over 60 and anyone with other issues.  Everyone else should have been allowed to get the damn virus and get over it and add to the herd ammuity that wont exist now.

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PostSat May 23, 2020 5:34 pm 
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If we just lived life as usual despite the virus, then maybe the world population would decline to a level which would allow the environment to recover and keep the greenhouse gasses at acceptable levels.

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PostSat May 23, 2020 8:48 pm 
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Don't worry this is a good start to the cross over viruses from animals to humans..

The next few are going to be way more serious.

Think melting permafrost or some other cross enviromental contamination that releases some awful stuff we have no vaccine for.

God's not happy with what were doing to the garden.
Period.

Everyone should be thinking of drysuits..decontamination stations for your house and wearing positive pressure hoods...

Read up on the scientists ect..who know the next great mass extinction is ..us.
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PostSat May 23, 2020 9:27 pm 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
We've committed economic suicide for a virus

The 1918 pandemic caused significant enconomic disruption. but the disruption was short lived and the period following was called "The roaring twenties"

Also the 1st wave of the 1918 pandemic was somewhat more typical in that it killed the old and the very young  -- but not very many people age 20-60 -- however the 2nd wave of the 1918 pandemic was atypical as it killed mostly people aged 20-60 and was by far the most deadly wave of the 1918 pandemic.   A couple of contributing factors of the 2nd wave were people tiring of social distancing and people massing to celibrate Allied successes in WW1 starting with the Battle of Amiens in August of 1918.   The 1918 pandemic killed over 600,000 Americans -- if the 2020 pandemic proves as deadly in multiple waves -- we will be looking at 2 million american deaths.  (1918 population was 100 million vs 331 million today)

Also note that the 1st wave of the 1918 pandemic started in March of 1918 and the second wave peaked in October of 1918

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/three-waves.htm

It is uncertain whether the 2020 pandemic will follow a similar pattern -- but if does there will be thousands of Americans dying daily running up to the November election.

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PostSat May 23, 2020 10:46 pm 
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That was interesting randito..hasn't this virus already mutated & has 2 types.?
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PostSat May 23, 2020 11:01 pm 
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Who are you and what have you done with forest gnome's caps lock key?   wink.gif
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PostSun May 24, 2020 12:16 am 
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forest gnome wrote:
God's not happy with what were doing to the garden.
Period.

I definitely agree with that statement!

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PostSun May 24, 2020 6:15 am 
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I once put it this way.  What if you're on the board of directors, and after an audit found that the CEO of the main plant has been plundering the company's resources for his own gain, has allowed manufacturing and distribution capacities to fall into serious disrepair, and has been putting office workers in the company at serious risk of physical harm or even death, to the point that the company's health and existence is at imminent risk of failure. 

What action would your take against the CEO?
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PostSun May 24, 2020 7:37 am 
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forest gnome wrote:
That was interesting randito..hasn't this virus already mutated & has 2 types.?

As I understand genetics,  mutations happen continuously with only a rare mutation being viable.   So until some way of protecting humans from the virus is developed, the risk of a mutation that substantially affects people in the 20 to 60 age range will be ever present.

Several countries have been relatively successful at containment.  Typically these have been nations that were affected by the 2009 SARS-1 outbreak.  The recent memory of that meant that both organizations and individuals understood the stakes and what needed to be done.
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