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PostFri May 22, 2020 4:06 pm 
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Warrior gas station in Cle Elum as well as Safeway had skimmer devices on their card readers.  If you are travelling through the area this weekend be sure to look close before using a card.

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PostFri May 22, 2020 4:22 pm 
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Thanks for the warning.
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PostSat May 23, 2020 8:01 am 
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How do you know this?  Secondly the Safeway gas station upgraded to chip readers.  Skimmers arent relevant in that scenario.

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PostSat May 23, 2020 8:48 am 
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Most cards with chips still have magnetic strips. Even if the reader uses the chip, the skimmer can read the strip.
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PostSat May 23, 2020 5:27 pm 
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Jeff wrote:
Most cards with chips still have magnetic strips. Even if the reader uses the chip, the skimmer can read the strip.

Then whats the chip for?

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PostSat May 23, 2020 8:48 pm 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
How do you know this? Secondly the Safeway gas station upgraded to chip readers. Skimmers arent relevant in that scenario.

They were on the ATM's in Safeway.  I work in cyber security / application support for the financial industry.  Literally my job to know these things wink.gif

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PostSat May 23, 2020 10:17 pm 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Most cards with chips still have magnetic strips. Even if the reader uses the chip, the skimmer can read the strip.

Then whats the chip for?

Some merchants still don't use chip.  And some merchants will let you slide the card if the chip isn't working.  So fraudsters can skim your magnetic strip and rewrite the strip to a card with their name that matches their ID and effectively use your card.  They can also use the card online at some merchants with card processors that only require card number and expiration.  Basically lots of ways for fraudsters to use your card, you may not be liable but it's a PITA for you to resolve.
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PostSat May 23, 2020 11:21 pm 
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Grabbing my binoculars now!

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PostMon May 25, 2020 9:36 am 
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rocknclimb wrote:
They were on the ATM's in Safeway.  I work in cyber security / application support for the financial industry.  Literally my job to know these things wink.gif

I know those ATM;s.  How do you install a skimmer on an ATM like that and can you see the damn thing?

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PostMon May 25, 2020 2:19 pm 
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See examples and what to look for here.
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PostMon May 25, 2020 7:15 pm 
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Navy salad wrote:
See examples and what to look for here.

Thanks for posting that Navy salad.  Man!  That fake keypad is something else.  All these items would have to blend perfectly to work I should think.  There must be a lot of "discovery" on the part of the counterfeiters to design and produce this gear.  ~z
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PostTue May 26, 2020 1:07 pm 
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zephyr wrote:
Thanks for posting that Navy salad.  Man!  That fake keypad is something else.  All these items would have to blend perfectly to work I should think.  There must be a lot of "discovery" on the part of the counterfeiters to design and produce this gear.

You're welcome. And yeah, there is an amazing amount of ingenuity that goes into making these things. So much that you'd think the perpetrators could have a very successful career in electronics/engineering without having to risk prison!
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PostTue May 26, 2020 1:53 pm 
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Navy salad wrote:
You're welcome. And yeah, there is an amazing amount of ingenuity that goes into making these things. So much that you'd think the perpetrators could have a very successful career in electronics/engineering without having to risk prison!

They likely did at one point. 

My debit card got skimmed in the late '90s.    I got a call the next day from the bank asking if I or my wife were in Los Vegas.    It seems there are "Poker Chip ATMs" in the casinos there that spit out chips at $2500 per transaction and unlimited transactions per day.   Unlike then the usual daily limit of $400 for cash withdrawls.   They made many such withdrawls, emptying my checking account and my overdraft protection line of credit. 

Some combination of my Credit Union (BECU) and the casino in question covered all my loses -- but since it happened over Thanksgiving weekend, there were a few nervious days wondering whether I would get the money back in time to pay my December mortage.
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PostFri May 29, 2020 9:53 am 
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Thank you for posting this!

Dang, I know I've seen one of these before!!!
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