[coldrain108]

Here is a hot spot road: Dosewallips Road - which I am glad has been down for a while. The Dose Meadows area needed a rest 20 years ago. I've been back twice since the washouts (2012 and last year). A pretty challenging bike ride with a full 5 day pack on. But the region has recovered nicely from the overcrowding before the washouts and is back to full occupancy. Now it is the realm of the long distance hiker to whom an additional 6.5 miles is nothing. The "short cut" to Dose Meadows is over Grand, Cameron and Lost Passes - about the same mileage as the old way...but with quite a bit more elevation gain/loss. I've been in there from that route a couple of times now. The hike back out is brutal - but glorious. I have come to love climbing Grand Pass from the Cameron Creek side.

BTW- I'm 59, shattered shoulder and a pinned hip and hurricane food around my mid section, so no physical specimen, just determined, and willing to suffer for my solitude. Comfort is one of those things that is destroying the planet. Everyone wants a life of ease. I like to earn my turns.

[Kim Brown]

[BigBrunyon]

Those in charge of the wa h/c group are never going to blow it up because, like I've said, they are in it for the feelings of power.

[RumiDude]

You want no one else to trample your precious secret places ... move to Siberia! I hate to mention the e-word because it triggers so many fragile souls here at NWHikers, but that's exactly the vibe some here are giving off. Anyway, it is both trails and access roads which are in need of TLC in our PNW. This funnels the increased users into fewer accessible THs and trails. Additionally, we need more backcountry rangers out encouraging people to play nice. And yes, all this will require more funding from the general public because user fees just ain't ever going to cover the costs. Rumi <~~~~elite but not elitist

[Kascadia]

[olderthanIusedtobe]

[Chief Joseph]

[Kim Brown]

[Roy Jensen]

Kim: It is travesty what has happened to the White Chuck road and trail system! I can somewhat understand why the Kennedy Hot Springs trail can't be restored (I loved that trail) but why abandoned the Fire Creek and Glacier View trails? That is on us the hiking community!

[Cyclopath]

I hiked White Chuck last summer. Got to the trailhead by driving on a road. There was a Scoobie Doo van (not exactly high clearance) when we arrived, it was gone when we left. Is there a different White Chuck road?

[Kim Brown]

The Whitechuck trail to the hot springs? Or Whitechuck Bench, which is indeed a trail with a trail head. Or WHitechuck Mtn (Dan Creek road) . I'm talking about beyond the Whitechuck Bench trail head. The trail system would be the old Whitechuck trail to the PCT, Fire Creek, Meadow Mtn, none which have good access right now.

[Cyclopath]

White Chuck Mountain, for the peak. I thought White Chuck Because was on the MLH outside Darrington?

[Kim Brown]

Yes, the Whitechuck Road is opposite-ish the Beaver Lake trail head. Its about 40 feet before the MLH goes gravel. Whitechuck Bench has 2 trail heads; one about a half mile(?) ish past the Boat Launch on whatever that road is, and the other 6 miles down the Whitechuck Road.

[Chief Joseph]

We were down the white chuck road a couple months ago and were looking for the white chuck bench th, never did find it, we ended up hiking the meadow mountain trail. Where is the Th in relation to the meadow mountain Th and is it clearly marked and right off the road? If so we are apparently blind.

[Kim Brown]

It's at the Whitechuck Bridge. about 3 feet after you cross the river, make an acute left into the big open spot. (well it was a big open spot last time I was there. Might be grown over a bit, since the trail was washed out in '03; but it's been re-built since then).