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PostSat Mar 28, 2020 10:46 am 
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Pyrites wrote:
The Chalet needs a good song.

The Commodores' Brick House?

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Hard to tell from those facebook photos, but there was plenty of room a few years ago. Here's a spin around the chalet in August 2017 for reference.

https://www.facebook.com/135774486527990/videos/221457919059642/

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Good suggestions, and Brick House distracts me to ‘till I can’t forget what we were talking about.

I was thinking Guthrie esque. Something that builds a constituency, bandies around the intertubes.
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PostWed Apr 01, 2020 8:12 am 
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Woody Guthrie's, So Long, It's Been Good to Know Ya

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Thursday July 2, 2020 16:41 PDT

Olympic National Park News Release

Public Invited to Review and Comment on Plan for Enchanted Valley Chalet

Virtual Public Meeting Set for July 15; Comments Accepted July 2 Through August 2


PORT ANGELES, WA: The National Park Service released an environmental assessment (EA) for the final disposition of the Enchanted Valley Chalet for a 30-day public review and comment period on Thursday, July 2, 2020. This EA, which incorporates responses to comments received during the public scoping process in 2016, evaluates impacts of the proposed project on cultural and natural resources, wilderness character, and visitor use and experience.

During the public comment period, the National Park Service (NPS) will host one virtual public meeting where Olympic National Park staff will conduct a presentation on the EA followed by a question and answer session. The meeting will be held from 5:00 pm to 6:30 pm PDT on Wednesday, July 15.

The purpose of the project is to determine the final disposition of the Enchanted Valley Chalet, located 13 miles up the Quinault River from the Graves Creek Trailhead within the Daniel J. Evans Wilderness. The chalet rests on the active floodplain of the Quinault River.

In early 2014, the bank had come to within 18 inches of the chalet. At that time, the park prepared a concise EA for the “Temporary Relocation of the Enchanted Valley Chalet for the Protection of the East Fork Quinault River.” In September 2014, the chalet was temporarily moved approximately 100 feet from the riverbank until a long-term decision could be reached through the National Environmental Policy Act and National Historic Preservation Act processes. The chalet currently remains on the steel I-beams that were used to move it and is closed to public and administrative use. The bank has once again eroded to within approximately 5 feet of the nearest corner of the chalet, and the nearest portion of the river channel is about 10 feet from the bank.

The EA analyzes three options which include a no action (current management) alternative, to dismantle and remove the Chalet, or relocate the Chalet to another location on the terrace. The NPS preferred alternative is to dismantle and remove the Chalet.

The EA will be available beginning July 2 for review and comment on the project planning website at http://parkplanning.nps.gov/ONPEVCEA2. Comments may be submitted directly on this site by clicking on "Open for Comment" and following the links to review the document and submit a comment. Comments will be accepted starting Thursday, July 2 through 11:59 p.m. MDT on Sunday, August 2, 2020.

Comments on the EA can also be mailed or hand-delivered to: Olympic National Park, Attn: Superintendent Sarah Creachbaum, Enchanted Valley Chalet EA, 600 East Park Avenue, Port Angeles, Washington 98362.

Comments submitted by phone or email will not be accepted. Comments submitted on behalf of other individuals will also not be accepted.

You should be aware that your entire comment – including personal identifying information such as your address, phone number, and email address – may be made publicly available at any time. While you can ask us in your comment to withhold your personal identifying information from public review, we cannot guarantee that we will be able to do so.

Virtual Public Meeting Access and Information

WebEx connect time: 4:45 PM  PDT

Meeting START time: 5:00 PM  PDT

Meeting end time: 6:30 PM PDT

To join the webinar via computer and computer audio:

“Ctrl+click” on the following link or copy and paste the link into your internet browser: https://doilearn2.webex.com/doilearn2/onstage/g.php?MTID=e2ed0011d0909bb19dbb99f7674b10f53

Event (ID) number (access code):  199  948  4882
Event Password (if prompted):  Chal3t!

For the virtual public meeting, if you require relay conference captioning (closed captioning) per the Americans with Disabilities Act or if you do not have internet access to attend the virtual public meeting, please notify us by 5:00 pm on Monday, July 13th. If you need other reasonable accommodations, please let us know as soon as possible so that we may attempt to meet your request. Please email: OLYM_Superintendent@nps.gov or leave a voice message at 360-565-3005, clearly stating your name, contact information, and briefly state the accommodation(s) you are requesting.

-NPS-

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Previous discussion threads on Enchanted Valley Chalet:

March 24 2020

July 18 2016

June 22 2016

March 11 2015

March 23 2015

May 7 2014

April 6 2014

February 4 2005

June 3 2004


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PostSat Jul 04, 2020 8:08 am 
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Ski wrote:
The NPS preferred alternative is to dismantle and remove the Chalet.

How often does the preferred alternative prevail in situations like this?
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PostTue Jul 07, 2020 3:56 pm 
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Seventy2002 wrote:
Ski wrote:
The NPS preferred alternative is to dismantle and remove the Chalet.

How often does the preferred alternative prevail in situations like this?

Do you mean before, or since, the 2016 election?  rolleyes.gif

Starting at the top, a lot of good people have left all the agencies, including Interior...  so, at all levels, it is even more top-down authoritarian than before, and less concerned with preservation or public input.

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PostTue Jul 07, 2020 4:17 pm 
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Seventy2002 wrote:
How often does the preferred alternative prevail in situations like this?

In ‘NEPA - world’ it is very uncommon (e.g. almost never) for a decision to change between the issuing of Draft Decision and the adoption of a Final Decision in an EA or EIS.   
It could mean a whole lot of extra work, time and money on the Agency’s part, since analysis and the Document itself may have to be re-worked.   It is unlikely, 1) barring the last minute surfacing of new ‘issues’; which is what drives the development of alternatives and the comparison of environmental effects. Or, 2) possibly a major change in the conditions at hand....in which case the more appropriate action would be to withdraw the draft EA and start over.  You can understand how an agency might be reluctant to do that.

It is, however, within the authority of the deciding official to choose a different alternative.
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RodF wrote:
Seventy2002 wrote:
Ski wrote:
The NPS preferred alternative is to dismantle and remove the Chalet.

How often does the preferred alternative prevail in situations like this?

Do you mean before, or since, the 2016 election?  rolleyes.gif

Starting at the top, a lot of good people have left all the agencies, including Interior...  so, at all levels, it is even more top-down authoritarian than before, and less concerned with preservation or public input.

Thank you Rod.

Seventy2002, that text was from ONP, not me.

I was waiting for Rod to respond on this one, but let me add (hopefully to underscore his point above):
Having David Bernhardt in the position of Director of the Department of Interior is kind of like having Jeffrey Dahmer in charge of a day care center for young boys.
Under the current regime, do not expect anything positive happening.

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PostTue Jul 07, 2020 11:37 pm 
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Ski wrote:
Seventy2002, that text was from ONP, not me.

Yeah, I knew that.
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PostFri Jul 31, 2020 4:27 pm 
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Friday July 31, 2020 14:33 PDT

Olympic National Park News Release

Comment Period for Enchanted Valley Chalet Plan Extended Through August 31


PORT ANGELES, WA: The National Park Service released an environmental assessment (EA) for the final disposition of the Enchanted Valley Chalet for public review on July 2, 2020. Due to the many complexities experienced by the public during the COVID-19 pandemic, the comment period is being extended through August 31. This EA, which incorporates responses to comments received during the public scoping process in 2016, evaluates impacts of the proposed project on cultural and natural resources, wilderness character, and visitor use and experience.

The EA is available for review and comment on the project planning website at parkplanning.nps.gov/ONPEVCEA2. Comments may be submitted directly on this site by clicking on "Open for Comment" and following the links to review the document and submit a comment. Comments will be accepted through 11:59 p.m. MDT on Monday, August 31, 2020.

The National Park Service (NPS) hosted a virtual public meeting on July 15 where Olympic National Park staff conducted a presentation on the EA followed by a question and answer session. The presentation and a recording of the meeting are available on the project planning website.



The purpose of the project is to determine the final disposition of the Enchanted Valley Chalet, located 13 miles up the Quinault River from the Graves Creek Trailhead within the Daniel J. Evans Wilderness. The Chalet rests on the active floodplain of the Quinault River.

In early 2014, the bank had come to within 18 inches of the Chalet. At that time, the park prepared a concise EA for the “Temporary Relocation of the Enchanted Valley Chalet for the Protection of the East Fork Quinault River.” In September 2014, the Chalet was temporarily moved approximately 100 feet from the riverbank until a long-term decision could be reached through the National Environmental Policy Act and National Historic Preservation Act processes. The Chalet currently remains on the steel I-beams that were used to move it and is closed to public and administrative use. The bank has once again eroded to within approximately 5 feet of the nearest corner of the Chalet, and the nearest portion of the river channel is about 10 feet from the bank.

The EA analyzes three options which include a no action (current management) alternative, to dismantle and remove the Chalet, or relocate the Chalet to another location on the terrace. The NPS preferred alternative is to dismantle and remove the Chalet.

Comments on the EA can also be mailed or hand-delivered to: Olympic National Park, Attn: Superintendent Sarah Creachbaum, Enchanted Valley Chalet EA, 600 East Park Avenue, Port Angeles, Washington 98362.

Comments submitted by phone or email will not be accepted. Comments submitted on behalf of other individuals will also not be accepted.

You should be aware that your entire comment – including personal identifying information such as your address, phone number, and email address – may be made publicly available at any time. While you can ask us in your comment to withhold your personal identifying information from public review, we cannot guarantee that we will be able to do so.

-NPS-

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Ski wrote:
Friday July 31, 2020 14:33 PDT

Olympic National Park News Release 

Comment Period for Enchanted Valley Chalet Plan Extended Through August 31


PORT ANGELES, WA: The National Park Service released an environmental assessment (EA) for the final disposition of the Enchanted Valley Chalet for public review on July 2, 2020. Due to the many complexities experienced by the public during the COVID-19 pandemic, the comment period is being extended through August 31.  .......

Ski,  I can't find this on the NPS website News Release page for some reason.  Can you provide a link to this?

Thanks!

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Olympic National Park, in their Press Release of 07/02/20 wrote:
The EA will be available beginning July 2 for review and comment on the project planning website at http://parkplanning.nps.gov/ONPEVCEA2 . Comments may be submitted directly on this site by clicking on "Open for Comment" and following the links to review the document and submit a comment. Comments will be accepted starting Thursday, July 2 through 11:59 p.m. MDT on Sunday, August 2, 2020.

^ is this the link you're looking for?

(for some weird reason it won't load.)

inquiry sent up to ONP - hopefully she'll get back and give us an answer.

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Bedivere wrote:
Can you provide a link to this?

There was no URL for the Press Release - that came to me via email yesterday.

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Ski wrote:
Bedivere wrote:
Can you provide a link to this?

There was no URL for the Press Release - that came to me via email yesterday.

BK

Seems kinda fishy this hasn't been published on the press release web page.

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