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PostMon Oct 12, 2020 5:13 pm 
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car68 wrote:
Here in Washington you can hide meth in a vehicle and have the same result.

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PostMon Oct 12, 2020 7:21 pm 
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28 feet long?  Shades of the old days up the Middle Fork, with so many discarded large kitchen appliances and more!
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Now there's something like a miniature U-haul trailer 100 feet from where the boat was.  Obviously abandoned, left open.  Looks like some creepy thing you wouldn't want your children to go near.
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PostThu Oct 29, 2020 1:21 pm 
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I decided to delete the post....

There are fancy studies on how what impacts what and this remains as a reminder folks either don't have money or the notion to remove junk from the forest...
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PostThu Oct 29, 2020 1:49 pm 
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When America was about being beautiful. No political reference implied. Just miss the way things used to be....

"Used to be" when? I certainly understand and share the frustration, but as an environmental historian, and one who has worked for big federal land management agencies for a long time, I can assure you there was no golden age in the past where all people treated nature or other common resources with respect. I have been astounded many times throughout my career learning about the different and selfish ways people have absolutely trashed nature in the US (and don't get me started on cruelty to wildlife...).

There are more of us now, and we are always going to have thoughtless and selfish people among us, so maybe you really do notice more vandalism/dumping than you used to, but I sure can't think of a time when America was all about being beautiful and we never saw this stuff. And in a lot of categories things are much better than they were.
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PostThu Oct 29, 2020 2:19 pm 
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It just seems like in the past 10 years vandalism has been on the rise along highway corridors within the city and beyond city limits.

It's true as I get older, I tend to wish things were better back in the day, but that isn't true.



It's nice that organizations like Friends Of The Trail clean up areas especially along Tinkham Road!
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PostThu Oct 29, 2020 2:40 pm 
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Brucester wrote:
It just seems like in the past 10 years vandalism has been on the rise along highway corridors within the city and beyond city limits.
It's true as I get older, I tend to wish things were better back in the day, but that isn't true.

While I agree 100% with kiliki's statement just above, I have to agree with you about the vandalism and graffiti increasing a significant degree over the last couple decades - it seems that everywhere you look, some moron has "tagged" something with a can of spray paint.
As to the vandalism: I do not recall 50 or 60 years ago municipalities removing recreational facilities because the level of vandalism made it impossible to maintain those facilities (e.g., the small "kiddie park" that the City of Tacoma had constructed at the southwest corner of Center Street and South Tyler Street years ago, which was subsequently removed just a few years later.)

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PostThu Oct 29, 2020 3:20 pm 
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30 years ago the MFK was a horror movie setting.

Misty water colored memories...

Can it be that
It was all so simple then?
Or has time re-written every line?

The High Divide in the ONP was thrashed 30 years ago...it is much better now...all that damned regulation, with permits and quotas.

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PostFri Oct 30, 2020 2:23 pm 
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We might be seeing more of it simply due to the fact that there are more of us. I think graffiti has been bad this year presumably due to bored high school kids who aren't in school. Litter seems bad to me, and WSDOT told me the legislature cut some litter pick up programs. I think in some ways things are better, though. For instance--literally just this minute I read this in an 1963 report on Big Hole Battlefield that provides a history of early visitation. (Until the 1960s this was in a very remote and hard to reach part of Montana--there were no paved roads and almost no tourists went there).

"Early visitors were mainly local residents who resorted to the battlefield
for picnic outings, and their principal interest in the area
appears to have been in the opportunities it provided for the collecting
of souvenirs. Such use was indiscriminate and largely destructive,
ranging from innocent gathering of spent cartridge cases, to thoroughly chopping
out the bullets lodged in trees and exhuming burials, to defacement of
the Soldier's Monument."

I mean, I know that there is still archaeological looting, but your average person or family out on a picnic doesn't exhume bodies or destroy granite monuments anymore. They had to put the Soldier's Monument at Big Hole in a cage because people were damaging it as they literally tried to hack off pieces of it for no apparent reason. The photo is from 1920. It doesn't have to be in a cage anymore.

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Current photo. No cage!

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