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When hiking in the pnw during the shoulder seasons are your boots/shoes/whatever waterproof or not? |
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mjaker Member
Joined: 20 Oct 2020 Posts: 2 | TRs | Pics
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Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:27 pm
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After about a decade of sloth I'm ready to get back on the trail! Realistically I'll be a weekend warrior with 1 or 2 multi-day outings a year.
While reading up on what's what I was surprised to read that waterproof footwear is NOT necessarily the gold standard anymore... I'm trying not to dismiss this idea out of hand but I'm having trouble finding info on what the locals are using these days.
I'm adding a poll to this post to get feedback on what y'all are wearing on your feet while backpacking in the rain.
Thanks,
jake
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Randito Snarky Member
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Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:51 pm
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texasbb Misplaced Texan
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:42 am
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Assumption: You're talking about 3-season hiking, not winter.
The wetter it is outside, the less useful waterproof boots are.
If it's raining, without careful layering of waterproof gaiters and pants, boots are very likely to get wet inside even if the boot itself is perfectly waterproof. Waterproof boots stop water from moving either direction, so once water gets in, they won't dry out for days. Royal pain.
IMO, the primary benefit of waterproof boots is they keep dust and fine sand out (assuming you've covered the tops with some scree gaiters or something). But dust is not a problem in the rain.
Disclaimer: I can almost never find non-waterproof boots/shoes in my size, so I regularly violate my own advice.
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coldrain108 Thundering Herd
Joined: 05 Aug 2010 Posts: 1858 | TRs | Pics Location: somewhere over the rainbow |
I totally agree with this approach. I'm 6 years into a pair of Alico leather (no GTX) boots slathered in Obenaufs. My feet stay dry and comfortable. I bought a second pair at the same time and am just now breaking in the back-ups. The first pair are still good but it is time to prepare for the next ones.
They fit great right out of the box.
Since I have no expectations of forgiveness, I don't do it in the first place. That loop hole needs to be closed to everyone.
Since I have no expectations of forgiveness, I don't do it in the first place. That loop hole needs to be closed to everyone.
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mjaker Member
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:42 am
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texasbb wrote: | Waterproof boots stop water from moving either direction, so once water gets in, they won't dry out for days. Royal pain. |
Assuming the footware is soaked, how do you go about drying out your non-waterproof boots on a rainy multi-day hike and how long (in general) does it take?
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Cyclopath Faster than light
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:28 pm
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If it's really rainy, your feet are going to get wet eventually. My existence has been that waterproof shoes and boots don't stay that way for long.
I wear wool socks, and deal with it. Dry shoes and socks in the car. (Dry pants and shirt too if I need them.)
I'm not going backpacking if/where prolonged rain is likely. In the winter I'm going to be on skis, not hiking. Saying this to put my answer into perspective.
If you're willing to drive longer, you'll often find drier weather on the eastern slope. I can't count the number of days it's rained from as far west as you can see to about 10 miles E of the pass. That fact features heavily in people's footwear choices.
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Chief Joseph Member
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I have all leather boots and keep them treated with Obenaf's or Mink Oil. Another trick that I learned while trail riding in very wet conditions is to put in some thick wool insoles and wear heavy wool socks ( I have some Alpaka socks that are awesome). Those two things will soak up a lot of water, thus keeping your feet and the inside of your boots drier. I just picked up some Solomon high topped winter waterproof boots at a thrift store for less than 20 bucks in as new condition. They are a bit big which is good so more room for thick socks, insoles, and breath ability. I haven't worn them much so not sure how "Waterproof" they are yet. They are similar to these. https://www.backcountry.com/salomon-toundra-pro-cswp-boot-mens?skid=SAL00S8-BLA-S7&ti=UExQIEJyYW5kOlNhbG9tb24gTWVuJ3MgV2ludGVyIEJvb3RzICYgU2hvZXM6MTo0OjYxX2JjLW1lbnMtd2ludGVyLWJvb3RzLXNob2Vz
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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texasbb Misplaced Texan
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texasbb
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Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:00 pm
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mjaker wrote: | texasbb wrote: | Waterproof boots stop water from moving either direction, so once water gets in, they won't dry out for days. Royal pain. |
Assuming the footware is soaked, how do you go about drying out your non-waterproof boots on a rainy multi-day hike and how long (in general) does it take? |
I'll pull the insoles out and squeeze what I can out of them, leave them out overnight, then put them back in the wet boots in the morning. Rarely will a boot be completely dry after a rainy soaking until I get back home.
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Ski ><((((°>
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:03 am
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here we go again:
> 1. leather boot (NO Gore-Tex)
+ 2. Obenauf's LP
+ 3. gaiters if it's really really wet.
= 4. dry feet.
this is not rocket science.
but thanks for reminding me that I need to dope up those cheapie Timberlands with another proper dose of Obenauf's before I go out after more chanterelles.
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
"I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each."
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Downhill Member
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:32 pm
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Nope, I would never choose "waterproof" hiking shoes. No shoe material will keep water out when hiking through rain-soaked, dew-soaked...... if it's wet, your feet will get wet regardless.
There are three downfalls to "waterproof" shoes IMO:
1. They ain't close to being anymore waterproof than any other shoe (marketing hype)
2. They charge you more $$ for the fallacy of the claim of being waterproof.
3. These shoes DON'T BREATH!!! Your feel boil on hot summer days and your feet and your shoes will smell like 100 cats used them as litter boxes.
As Nancy Reagan said, "Just Say No To Waterproof Hiking Shoes!"
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Slide Alder Slayer Member
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There has always been a debate on this subject over the years on this forum based on individual experience. Some never had a problem and others never find a pair of waterproof footwear that have not leaked. Personally, I would not be surprised if the same boot has been used by both sides with different results.
My experience has been with silicone impregnated 2.7 to 3.1mm full grain leather non Gortex Scarpa boots going back more than a few years up to the modern La Sportiva GTX mixed terrain like the Evo Tech Leather and Nepal Evo, and Lowa Mountain Expert.
That being said I always clean and retreat at least after every two trips to maintain breathability; consequently, I have never had an issue with waterproofness.
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Dante Member
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:38 am
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Another vote for all full grain leather boots with Obenaufs or a similar boot treatment.
All of the Gore-Tex boots I have owned over the years began leaking way sooner than they should have (well before the sole or upper were worn out). I use a variation of the Army's Multi-Component Boot System (MCBS). See Infantry March - April 1989, pages 14 - 17 (pages 16 - 19 of the linked PDF). From the inside out, it consists of liner socks, wool socks of a uniform thickness to provide padding and insulation, Rocky Gore-Tex socks (when required), boots with unlined leather uppers, and gaiters (if required). The linked article also has some great advice on taking care of your feet.
For what it's worth, here are the components I currently use:
Injinji liner toesocks. Before I started using these, I would often get a blister on my small toe where it rubbed against the next toe.
Woolpower Ullfrotte Original Socks. Expensive, but worth it. I like the heavy 800 g/m2 socks.
Norwegian M77 combat boots. These fit me well and work great for most of my boot needs, but they aren't super stiff. If I expect to be kicking steps in snow or going off trail on very steep terrain, I'll wear my old Limmers. There is also an Estonian made version, which is cheaper. The nice thing about the M77s is they are unpadded (except for a little fiberpile padding inside the tounge) and unlined, so they dry super fast if they get wet (e.g. fording a stream).
Rocky Gore-Tex Socks. I own these, but have only used them a couple times and question their necessity.
OR Crocodile Gore-Tex Gaitors. These rarely get used except for snowshoeing.
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Cyclopath Faster than light
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Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:11 pm
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I pretty much only wear New Balance 840v4 these days and for the foreseeable future. I'm still trying to get over tendinitis in my foot. It doesn't bother me much, sometimes not at all, when I wear nothing but 840s. If I wear other shoes (or let these wear out) I start getting more and more pain. They aren't waterproof, obviously being right is more important than being "waterproof."
This is specific to me, and I'm sure no one in this thread has the same foot issue that those shoes help with. But in a bigger sense I want to point out that there are a lot of important things in shoes, a lot of reasons people might be wise to choose footwear that isn't waterproof.
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