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Chief Joseph
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PostSun Jan 03, 2021 8:18 pm 
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Anne Elk wrote:
One of our own SAR guys has another take - in the thread on PLBs and hiking solo, Schroder said, " ...if you're going solo in the backcountry off-trail and don't have the means to be located with the technology that's available today, you are irresponsible. The easy solution also is to find a friend."

While I appreciate Shroder's insight and wisdom, I don't agree that it's always "irresponsible" to not implement the newest technology into one's outdoor experience, to me that is somewhat of a "sweeping generalization".  wink.gif

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PostMon Jan 04, 2021 11:05 am 
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Maybe it is time to consider accident insurance for outdoor activities?  The main reason I joined the American Alpine Club was to access their basic accident insurance program.  The European Alpine clubs all offer insurance to members to cover accidents.   I would never recreate in Europe or Nepal without appropriate accident insurance. 

Accidents (or incidents) in the mountains will always be with us.   More users means more incidents.   I am thankful for the rescue services provided by the military services, counties and volunteer mountain rescue organizations in this country.  Maybe it is time to professionalize these services?  I would rather the users community dictate the nature of rescue services rather than politicians whom might not act in our best interest.   I believe that reliable responsible rescue programs are in the best interest of all outdoor users.  Yes some will abuse the system but I believe that will be the exception rather than the rule.
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PostMon Jan 04, 2021 11:23 am 
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Insurance companies would love to sell us all accident insurance.  SAR thinks it would make their work more dangerous.  I think we should listen to SAR on this one.   smile.gif
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PostMon Jan 04, 2021 11:32 am 
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Roy Jensen wrote:
Maybe it is time to consider accident insurance for outdoor activities?

The problem with that is the people who need it most frequently would never buy it - the casual weekender that gets in over their head. You also need an army of volunteers for large searches & professionalizing wilderness rescue tends to work against that. Sending people a bill after-the-fact has never worked.

As for my comments in being irresponsible in not utilizing the latest technology - the context of this was in a couple of massive searches for a couple of "experienced" soloists for whom their searches consumed the entire annual budgets of the search agencies. I myself prefer having a partner with me up on a mountain than relying on the tech. If you want to commune alone with nature, go do it in a place where you can be easily found.
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