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PostFri Jan 01, 2021 12:29 pm 
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Cyclopath wrote:
What do you mean by ski 20 when the road is open?

Example 1:  Sally Portman's Birthday tour  https://wenatcheeoutdoors.org/2017/01/17/washington-pass-birthday-tour-2/

Example 2: Cutthroat Pass ski traverse
http://trailcatjim.com/cutthroat-pass-ski-traverse-porcupine-creek-to-cutthroat-creek/
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PostFri Jan 01, 2021 6:15 pm 
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Cyclopath wrote:
What do you mean by ski 20 when the road is open?

I mean they drive up in the spring or fall (when the road is open) and then ski off to the side (in the area that is now protected or similar spots). I was simply clarifying an earlier comment. In winter (and only winter) 99% of the people who ski those areas access the areas. But there are plenty of people who ski it other times of the year, when they simply drive to the trailhead.

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I still contend more people ski the area when the road is open than when it is closed.

This is certainly true -- but it isn't particularly relevant to managing the conflict during the winter

Fair enough, I just wanted to clarify, as lots of people don't understand overall usage (case in point, Cyclopath). It is easy to assume that few people spring ski, but that really isn't the case (not around here anyway). We have some really, really nice spring ski places (good corn snow is second only to good powder, and has a lot less risk). If you are getting into it, this is nice to know.

Oh, and by the way, I don't think your original point is relevant either. No matter how they get to *that area*, folks don't want to deal with snowmobiles in *that area* for various reasons (safety being the most important, but not the only one). That isn't different than any other place, really. Most people arrive at the trailhead via a (stinky, noisy) car, but once you venture out into the wilds, you don't want to experience a motorbike. (Cyclopath is different -- he sometimes rides his bike the whole way -- which is awesome smile.gif)
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PostMon Jan 04, 2021 4:21 pm 
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jinx'sboy wrote:
I’ve been hearing more stories about increased conflicts in the area....

This may be the reaction:

https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fseprd870163.pdf

Closure map at bottom of the Order.

Cool!  At least I can still use the snowmobile up to the summit of Liberty Bell from the east!

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PostTue Jan 05, 2021 9:59 am 
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Probably old news, but just in case, the gate on the east side has been moved to Early Winters.

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PostWed Jan 06, 2021 9:22 am 
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Stefan wrote:
Cool!  At least I can still use the snowmobile up to the summit of Liberty Bell from the east!

Was this you?

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PostWed Jan 06, 2021 10:48 am 
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Its a lot harder going UP than coming DOWN!  : )

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That's flat out insane! Also looks like a great way to start an avalanche. Good thing I'm not adrenaline junkie, I would have been dead years ago.

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PostFri Jan 08, 2021 7:09 am 
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The guy who made that video is a longtime sled skier from the methow.  Wildland firefighter/pro skier, Stevens pass superstar, "bird".  He's been in the last couple warren Miller videos.

That adrenaline rush is great, but the odds don't favor longevity.  Not long after this was filmed, Mike Schaefer had a speed flying accident. He tried a low barrel role and crashed. Smashed down hard and broke his back high in the alpine. Heli rescue, massive surgery, dudes kicking around on x country skis already.
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