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PostSun Feb 07, 2021 11:43 am 
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https://apple.news/AHpHGNTPNQBGmaqWhhdWf_A

An interesting article from the Idaho Statesman.

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PostMon Feb 08, 2021 7:10 am 
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PostMon Feb 08, 2021 10:44 am 
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$33B (final $40B?).

Is this intended as straw man just to point out itís too expensive?
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PostMon Feb 08, 2021 1:03 pm 
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Pyrites wrote:
Is this intended as straw man just to point out itís too expensive?

I understand the sticker shock.   dizzy.gif

But all the numbers here are in the billions.  Idaho produces around $3B annually in agricultural products, the value of the restored salmon may approach $1B a year, etc. 

A point I have made before:  in this era, we are not removing dams for fin and fur, per se, we are removing them because the cost now exceeds the benefit (power got cheap, salmon got expensive).

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PostMon Feb 08, 2021 1:48 pm 
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I wonder how much each salmon has cost with all this.  What is the price per lb?

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PostMon Feb 08, 2021 1:56 pm 
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I wonder what his relationship is with the construction companies that will be bidding on the removal contracts.

The Elwha dam removal projects were said to be indicators of the kind of environmental recovery that would be possible with dam removal.

But salmon recovery is a lot more complex and a longer process than simply removing the dams and the fish start running like it was 1855 again

https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/a-bad-year-for-chinook-salmon-returns-in-the-elwha-river
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PostMon Feb 08, 2021 3:57 pm 
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Stefan wrote:
I wonder how much each salmon has cost with all this.  What is the price per lb?

About $10 a lb at Costco and QFC for wild caught Alaskan Reds much higher for Kings

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PostMon Feb 08, 2021 5:36 pm 
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There had previously been discussion speculating that the upper Elwha chinook were predominantly spring chinook.There has also been discussion that the Elwha spring chinook is extinct.

The view of separately time runs has been changed by this article:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6516/609

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PostTue Feb 09, 2021 12:56 am 
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Malachai Constant wrote:
Stefan wrote:
I wonder how much each salmon has cost with all this.  What is the price per lb?

About $10 a lb at Costco and QFC for wild caught Alaskan Reds much higher for Kings

If the goal of salmon restoration is more fish to eat,  then salmon farming is a more cost effective approach than dam removal.
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PostTue Feb 09, 2021 7:14 am 
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PostTue Feb 09, 2021 7:15 am 
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https://www.hatchmag.com/articles/scientists-draft-letter-calling-governors-tear-down-lower/7715196
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PostTue Feb 09, 2021 7:18 am 
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https://wildsteelheaders.org/science-friday-how-dam-construction-and-removal-changed-genetics-of-o-mykiss-in-the-elwha-river/
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PostTue Feb 09, 2021 12:24 pm 
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Salmon farming produces disgusting garbage that is unfit to eat. Also there is no benefit to polluting waters and spreading disease and parasites like there is in restoring natural habitat and systems.

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