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neek Member
Joined: 12 Sep 2011 Posts: 2329 | TRs | Pics Location: Seattle, WA |
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Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:53 am
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Anne Elk wrote: | ^^^ On that issue I seem to recall reading something pre-covid about the discovery that some of the additives that manufacturers were putting into those vapes were a big part of what was causing the acute lung issues, but I'm not interested enough to go googling around to find it again. |
Vitamin E acetate. Not sure what became of the lawsuits. Presumably they've fixed the problem. To connect it to the topic of this thread, it was found this summer that vaping increases your chances of catching covid-19.
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cdestroyer Member
Joined: 14 Sep 2015 Posts: 1249 | TRs | Pics Location: montana |
there is apparently a new variant of the UK covid now in california. The researchers say they fear this new virus might combine with the current one and create even faster spreading virus and possibly more dangerous. It seems that this new one can bypass the current vaccines.!
be prepared!
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Chief Joseph Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 7676 | TRs | Pics Location: Verlot-Priest Lake |
cdestroyer wrote: | there is apparently a new variant of the UK covid now in california. The researchers say they fear this new virus might combine with the current one and create even faster spreading virus and possibly more dangerous. It seems that this new one can bypass the current vaccines.!
be prepared! |
In that case we should quarantine the entire state of California, no one allowed in or out for the foreseeable future.
That would solve a few problems at once.
O' and thanks to those who attempted to answer my vaping question, google was no help.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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Jake Neiffer Member
Joined: 07 Dec 2011 Posts: 825 | TRs | Pics Location: Lexington, OR |
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coldrain108 Thundering Herd
Joined: 05 Aug 2010 Posts: 1858 | TRs | Pics Location: somewhere over the rainbow |
Jake Neiffer wrote: | But I highly doubt 500K deaths this year are actually due to COVID |
you might be right.
Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy
Since I have no expectations of forgiveness, I don't do it in the first place. That loop hole needs to be closed to everyone.
Since I have no expectations of forgiveness, I don't do it in the first place. That loop hole needs to be closed to everyone.
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Joey verrry senior member
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:26 pm
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Alpendave Member
Joined: 01 Aug 2008 Posts: 863 | TRs | Pics
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Death is an inevitable part of life. People may say that our response has been a failure, but the high mortality rates are largely due to the fact that our society is living unnaturally long lives to begin with. I’ve helped put ICD’s in people well into their 90’s because they or their loved ones are holding out for a more pleasant demise than pulseless VT/V-fib. Truth is, we need a healthier relationship with death. If you are afraid, then by all means, isolate yourself and cover your face. But you are not entitled to coerce everyone around you to stay at home and cover their face wherever they go. If you are that scared, you are not really living to begin with. Our response to this has been a failure in that we’ve enacted every measure possible to increase the vulnerability of our population. Live is given to us to live and just because you are breathing doesn’t make you alive.
With all that said, I understand that there are people battling cancer and other things. But staying safe and isolating is on them. On the other hand, there are no guarantees for them and if they choose to risk death for the sake of really living, more power to them.
And yes, the numbers are skewed. Skewed by our unnatural tendency to think that the miserable prolongation of breathing despite the inevitable march of years or determined abuse of our bodies. You want to enact something to alleviate the situation? Put a ban on the crap that we call food, cigarettes and Mary Jane, video games, and anything else which you feel entitled to instead of forcing others to live this unnatural life that you are forcing upon them.
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moonspots Happy Curmudgeon
Joined: 03 Feb 2007 Posts: 2456 | TRs | Pics Location: North Dakota |
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:15 am
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alpendave wrote: | If you are afraid, then by all means, isolate yourself and cover your face. But you are not entitled to coerce everyone around you to stay at home and cover their face wherever they go. If you are that scared, you are not really living to begin with. |
To quote the Black Crows (from the Redbull video, "The Art of Flight") - "...you can't live if you're afraid to die..."
I don't know WHAT to think about all this virus business. FAR too much conflicting data, from every direction.
What I DO know though is, china started it, therefore I don't buy ANYthing from china if at all possible. If it were up to me, I'd "de-finance" them back to the dark ages! Further, their economy currently is busting at the seams because they're making and selling medical stuff (masks?) to the whole world. Ever wonder about the "why behind the what"? Follow the money....as I said above.
"Out, OUT you demons of Stupidity"! - St Dogbert, patron Saint of Technology
"Out, OUT you demons of Stupidity"! - St Dogbert, patron Saint of Technology
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Alpendave Member
Joined: 01 Aug 2008 Posts: 863 | TRs | Pics
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moonspots wrote: | alpendave wrote: | If you are afraid, then by all means, isolate yourself and cover your face. But you are not entitled to coerce everyone around you to stay at home and cover their face wherever they go. If you are that scared, you are not really living to begin with. |
To quote the Black Crows (from the Redbull video, "The Art of Flight") - "...you can't live if you're afraid to die..."
I don't know WHAT to think about all this virus business. FAR too much conflicting data, from every direction.
What I DO know though is, china started it, therefore I don't buy ANYthing from china if at all possible. If it were up to me, I'd "de-finance" them back to the dark ages! Further, their economy currently is busting at the seams because they're making and selling medical stuff (masks?) to the whole world. Ever wonder about the "why behind the what"? Follow the money....as I said above. |
While I’d probably agree with you on some points, I don’t want to get the thread locked by delving into the politics of the situation.
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Chief Joseph Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 7676 | TRs | Pics Location: Verlot-Priest Lake |
California
People from out of state are discouraged from visiting, and Californians are asked to avoid nonessential travel that would take them more than 120 miles from their own homes. Those arriving in or returning to California from other states or countries are asked to self-quarantine for 10 days.
The state recommends that visitors call ahead to learn if any regional or local restrictions are in place. The city of San Francisco has a mandatory 10-day quarantine for those coming from outside the region, and Los Angeles County has a 10-day quarantine for those coming from outside of the state. Los Angeles is requiring all travelers over the age of 16 who are entering the city from another state or country to complete a form acknowledging that they have read and understood California’s travel advisory. The online form must be submitted before arrival or when landing at Los Angeles International Airport, Van Nuys Airport or Union Station. Failure to comply is punishable by a fine of up to $500.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Go placidly amid the noise and waste, and remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
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Jumble Jowls Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 304 | TRs | Pics Location: now here |
alpendave wrote: | Death is an inevitable part of life. People may say that our response has been a failure, but the high mortality rates are largely due to the fact that our society is living unnaturally long lives to begin with. I’ve helped put ICD’s in people well into their 90’s because they or their loved ones are holding out for a more pleasant demise than pulseless VT/V-fib. Truth is, we need a healthier relationship with death. |
Very well said. Reminds me of my father, who was a physician and held very similar views on life and death. Which I think are very healthy.
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Anne Elk BrontosaurusTheorist
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"There are yahoos out there. It’s why we can’t have nice things." - Tom Mahood
"There are yahoos out there. It’s why we can’t have nice things." - Tom Mahood
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Alpendave Member
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Tom Admin
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:14 pm
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Time to lock this one. Truth is most of us could use a healthier relationship with hiking.
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