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PostThu Mar 18, 2021 5:46 pm 
My friends in NW Montana are seeing few deer and elk there. Haven't heard much about the other areas of the state.

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PostFri Mar 19, 2021 8:14 am 
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few deer and elk there
Did you read the article? "Derek Goldman with the Endangered Species Coalition countered that FWP data indicates that the vast majority of hunting districts in the state are at or above population targets, and that Brown’s proposals are not based on evidence. There are only about 19 out of 141 elk-hunting districts in the entire state that are below management objectives.” The game animals are on the run, like they are supposed to be. If you don't believe that game populations can remain steady despite the re-introduction of wolves, you should read or watch "Never Cry Wolf." The mystery is explained.

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PostFri Mar 19, 2021 10:14 am 
Of Coarse I read the article. I merely said what the people in that area (trout cr) i know are telling me. That's it plain and simple. I did not say the whole state was in a wolf peril. So don't read more into it that what I stated!! For your info Mowat was not biologist but an environmentalist. His observations were in the far reaches of the artic alot different from Montana and their preference in food.

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PostFri Apr 23, 2021 9:11 pm 
Friday April 23 2021 16:43 PDT WDFW NEWS RELEASE Annual Washington wolf population report shows growth for 12th year OLYMPIA – Washington's wolf population continued to grow in 2020, as the minimum count of wolves reached its highest levels since the species began returning to Washington in recent years. The annual wolf report was released today by the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW). "Washington wolf recovery continues to make solid progress,” said WDFW Director Kelly Susewind. “For the first time the North Cascades wolf recovery area has met the local recovery objective- four successful breeding pairs - during 2020.” As of Dec. 31, 2020, WDFW counted 132 wolves in 24 packs and the Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation (CTCR) reported 46 wolves in five packs in Washington. Thirteen of the packs WDFW monitored were documented as successful breeding pairs. Because this is a minimum count, the actual number of wolves, packs, and successful breeding pairs in Washington is likely higher. These numbers compare with 2019’s count of 108 wolves in 21 packs and 10 breeding pairs counted by WDFW, and 37 wolves in five packs reported by the CTCR. That is a 24% increase in the wolf population and marks the 12th consecutive year of population growth. Four new packs formed in areas monitored by WDFW in 2020. The Navarre Pack formed in Okanogan County, the Vulcan Pack in Ferry County, the Onion Creek Pack in Stevens County, and wolves also reestablished in the area formerly occupied by the Skookum Pack in Pend Oreille County. WDFW uses activities like track, aerial, and camera surveys to conduct the annual population survey and look for new wolf packs. Seventy-nine percent of the known wolf packs in Washington were not involved in any known livestock depredation in 2020, while seven packs were. “WDFW staff, and partnering producers, non-government organizations, and county officials worked hard last grazing season at reducing wolf-livestock conflict,” said WDFW wolf policy lead Donny Martorello. “This coming grazing season we will pilot some newly innovated non-lethal tools and are working with producers, range riders, and landowners on action plans for deploying them.” Each year, population totals reflect population losses as well as gains. WDFW documented 16 wolf mortalities during 2020, including eight legally harvested by tribal hunters, one killed by a vehicle, two of natural causes, one that was shot due to a perceived threat to human safety, one of unknown causes, and three lethally removed in response to wolf-caused livestock deaths. Since 1980, gray wolves have been listed under state law as endangered throughout Washington. In January of 2021, wolves were federally delisted from the Endangered Species Act and are currently managed statewide by WDFW as a state endangered species. WDFW works to conserve and manage wolves consistent with its wolf plan adopted in 2011. Contributors to WDFW's annual report include the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Wildlife Services program, the Spokane Tribe of Indians and the CTCR. The CTCR considers wolves recovered on their lands and no longer allocates resources to organized year-end counting of wolves, and therefore did not document breeding pairs as they have in past years. Numbers provided by CTCR this year reflect those incidentally gathered by biologists, hunters, trappers, and public observations, rather than dedicated counts. The full Washington Gray Wolf Conservation and Management 2020 Annual Report is available from the Department’s website at wdfw.wa.gov. A video summary will be posted soon. -WDFW-

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PostMon Apr 26, 2021 7:10 am 
Ski wrote:
As of Dec. 31, 2020, WDFW counted 132 wolves in 24 packs and the Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation (CTCR) reported 46 wolves in five packs in Washington. Thirteen of the packs WDFW monitored were documented as successful breeding pairs. Because this is a minimum count, the actual number of wolves, packs, and successful breeding pairs in Washington is likely higher.
Looks like things are going very well with wolf re-introduction. We seem to still be learning quite a bit about their habits as they return to their proper range: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/02/12/new-research-from-northern-minn-shows-wolves-feed-berries-to-their-young

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PostTue Apr 27, 2021 12:35 pm 
1) Wolf populations are guaranteed to be underestimated. 2) Killing wolves is hard, like almost impossible. Trapping is the best method, not too many trappers out there. 3) Tag sales fund conservation efforts and fish/game management. 4) Wolves are like any other species, under pressure they will move to where humans can or will not access. 5) The Humane Society is responsible for euthanizing how many animals per year..laughable activism.

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PostTue Apr 27, 2021 1:39 pm 
61% of Idaho is federal land, and a lot of that is designated wilderness. How does wolf slaughter work in those places?

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PostWed Apr 28, 2021 7:43 am 
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61% of Idaho is federal land, and a lot of that is designated wilderness. How does wolf slaughter work in those places?
Hunting on Federal Lands and wildernesses are managed by the governing fish and game body. "Wolf slaughter" coming from someone who has 1. likely never seen a wolf in the wild (the zoo doesn't count) and 2. likely could not locate such quarry on purpose is hilarious. You couldn't even find a wolf to slaughter if you tried. Another sad synopsis from someone with no historical frame of reference or respect for the successes of wildlife conservation in the 20th century. Wolves can and should have their place in the management interface.

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PostWed Apr 28, 2021 8:04 am 
How did Idaho come to the conclusion that 150 wolves is the correct ecologically stable amount of wolves to have in their state? That seems to be their main argument on why they need to kill these wolves. 1,500 wolves is too many, but 150 is the perfect amount. Why 150? Seems pretty low to me. I think 150 is about how many wolves in Washington but Idaho has way more suitable habitat.

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PostWed Apr 28, 2021 1:07 pm 
126 individuals, 27 packs,15 successful breeding pairs up from 122, 22, 14 respectfully. Quite the growth rate.

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