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PostWed Jul 26, 2006 1:01 pm 
Good article in the NY Times about the dangers rangers are now facing in the 21st century. Registation may be required. Rangers take on Urban Woes in Wide Open Spaces
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“Our biggest problem with corpses is all the bodies being dumped in the national forest,” Mr. Leveille said. “Particularly in the south, as you get closer to Vegas.”

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PostWed Jul 26, 2006 2:25 pm 
[sarcasm]Sounds like we'll have to close the National Forests to the public for their own safety or outsource their administration to Haliburton[/sarcasm] UPDATE: I found this after posting the above: Private firms proposed for border patrol Wednesday, July 26, 2006 MARY ORNDORFF News Washington correspondent WASHINGTON - The government would temporarily use private security contractors to help control the border with Mexico under a proposal to be introduced in Congress this week by Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Saks. Rogers said the hiring would be a stopgap way of cracking down on illegal immigration until the government can hire and train thousands of new border patrol agents. "I'm trying to find a way to let the public know that we, in a meaningful way, are going to deal with border security immediately," Rogers said. Rogers, who is chairman of a homeland security subcommittee in the U.S. House of Representatives, is circulating the idea among his colleagues on Capitol Hill but it does not yet have widespread support. There are 12,500 people working on border security, and the Bush administration has said it needs between 18,500 and 20,000. But even with new funding and an accelerated training schedule, only 2,000 new agents can be added each year, Rogers said. "That means it would be at least 2009 or 2010 before we could get to those levels of personnel necessary to secure the border and that's not good enough for the public," Rogers said. Eligible companies would be professional security contractors, like those now working to protect U.S. embassies across the world, and not volunteer organizations such as the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. Rogers said his plan would replace the deployment of National Guard troops to the border and would authorize the hiring of 8,000 people to perform more ministerial duties, such as watching video monitors, driving buses and fixing fences. The goal is to free up highly trained agents for the more crucial tasks of patrolling the border, apprehending those trying to cross illegally and gathering intelligence. His proposed legislation also would require that, as trained agents are added to the mix, contractors would be let go. Rogers announced the plan in a speech to the Heritage Foundation, where it was well received by advocates of privatizing government services. James Jay Carafano, a senior research fellow for homeland security issues, endorsed Rogers' plan as "strategically very sound" and a way to have a more immediate effect in tightening the border. "Speed is the essential component," Carafano said. But the organization that represents border patrol agents was skeptical. "Government has not had wild success using contractors," said T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council in San Diego. "I understand his frustration at the slow pace of getting the adequate number of full-time agents up and running, but Congress hasn't funded the number of agents they've been promising for years. That's like taking the Atlanta Braves, cutting their payroll in half, and saying, `Boy, this team is terrible.'" Bonner said the council supports Rogers' efforts to improve recruitment and retention of border patrol agents with incentives and bonuses, but that even bus drivers need to speak Spanish and dispatchers need to know the local terrain. "I'm not arguing that a trained agent should sit and watch a camera, but that should be a full-time civilian person, dedicated to the task, who has made it a career, not a hired gun looking to make a fast buck," Bonner said. Maybe private security is the future of the National Parks and Forests, too.

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PostSat Jul 29, 2006 11:21 pm 
From posted New York Times article--
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At the same time, the number of rangers with police power has been nearly halved in the last decade, to 550 from more than 980 because of budget cuts and because some rangers have been assigned to other duties. There is now one law enforcement ranger for every 291,000 acres, or one for every 733,000 visitors, according to Forest Service figures. “There’s no question that the forests have become much more dangerous and the amount of violence we’re dealing with has greatly increased,” said John Twiss, director of law enforcement for the Forest Service… By far the biggest problem, Mr. Leveille said, is with people riding off-road vehicles or snowmobiles, a complaint echoed by the public-land employee group. “In many parts of the West, it’s a Mad Max situation, with a quarter-million people on a weekend and one ranger to keep them from tearing the place up,” said Mr. Ruch, the director. Here in the Sierra foothills of Nevada, off-road bikes have torn up grasslands and ripped into areas clearly marked off-limits.
Read what it’s like to be a park ranger in a good paperback: Nature Noir: A Park Ranger's Patrol in the Sierra From Amazon--
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Slated to be drowned by a dam, the California state park patrolled by the author of this haunting memoir is a "condemned landscape" of gorgeous river canyons hemmed in by exurban sprawl and peopled by eccentric gold miners, squatting families, drug dealers and miscellaneous drunken, gun-waving rowdies, a place where "turkey vultures floated... savoring the hot air for the inevitable attrition of heat, drought and violence." In his 14 years there, first-time author Smith encountered fights, beatings, suicides, daredevil canyon divers and the corpse of a woman jogger killed and half eaten by a cougar.
It certainly ain't Edward Abbey in Desert Solitaire anymore.

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PostSun Jul 30, 2006 10:33 am 
Why not give them a bounty for every illegal they catch! Now there you'd have some motivated border agents.....

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PostSun Jul 30, 2006 12:46 pm 
Backpacker Joe wrote:
Why not give them a bounty for every illegal they catch!
That’s an interesting idea: paying park law enforcement personnel for each person they arrest in our National Parks. It could generate more arrests (setting aside how valid the increased number of arrests would be). The program would certainly include arresting “illegals” like you who illegally carry handguns into our National Parks. up.gif

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PostSun Jul 30, 2006 1:01 pm 
Blue Dome wrote:
Backpacker Joe wrote:
Why not give them a bounty for every illegal they catch!
That’s an interesting idea: paying park law enforcement personnel for each person they arrest in our National Parks. It could generate more arrests (setting aside how valid the increased number of arrests would be). The program would certainly include arresting “illegals” like you who illegally carry handguns into our National Parks. up.gif
Awesome idea! biggrin.gif I can just see Mr. Joe trying to cite the Second while being handcuffed upside the cop car. lol.gif

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