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puzzlr Mid Fork Rocks
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:45 am
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During the past year I've spent several days at the UW special collections library looking through old trail and hiking archives, including summit register collections. These two captioned images stood out enough for me to take a picture to remember, even though they weren't what I was there looking for.
This one reinforces that the "good old days" were pretty much like today, and there are always a few that spoil things for the many.
From UW special collections
Our collective thinking about forests has changed a lot over the years, and this photographer's caption illustrates a lot of that.
From UW special collections
These were just things I ran across while browsing, so I'm sorry that I don't have exact dates or the name of the photographer. But definitely early 20th century.
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wolffie Member
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Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:52 am
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I wish the sordid Moroans would stay out of the city, too. I could tell them where to go.
Some people have better things to do with their lives than walking the dog. Some don't.
Some people have better things to do with their lives than walking the dog. Some don't.
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RodF Member
Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 2593 | TRs | Pics Location: Sequim WA |
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Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:04 am
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Theft of shakes from shelters for kindling has always been a problem.
The original USFS Adirondack shelters built in the northeast and Great Lakes states featured horizontal log walls (the "L-1" design). In the northwest, where cedar is available, post-and-beam walls with cedar shakes came into use in the 1920s ("L-3" design), and a larger version became standard by the late 1920s ("L-4" design). Figures: USFS Region 6 Building Plans Handbook, 1934.
L-1, L-2 & L-3 shelter plans L-4 shelter plan
Theft of shakes from the walls of L-3 and L-4 shelters required continuous replacement, and finally forced the NPS in the 1950s to replace the shake walls in some L-3 and L-4 shelters with board-and-batten or split log siding, and revert to the lower-maintenance L-1 and L-2 log designs for new shelters.
Even today, a major annual maintenance task for Friends of Olympic Trail Shelters (FOOTS) is replacement of shakes, torn off for kindling.
Note added: here is NPS guidance on shelters from 1938. Some of these structures now historic and in areas later designated Wilderness, so are one of the historic values which should be protected by the Wilderness Act.
"of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt" - John Muir
"the wild is not the opposite of cultivated. It is the opposite of the captivated” - Vandana Shiva
"of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt" - John Muir
"the wild is not the opposite of cultivated. It is the opposite of the captivated” - Vandana Shiva
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Lono Member
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Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:26 am
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RodF wrote: | Even today, a major annual maintenance task for Friends of Olympic Trail Shelters (FOOTS) is replacement of shakes, torn off for kindling. |
RodF - any thoughts on moving to metal roofing for these shelters, or does that come with its own theft hazards, like tearing it off for camp fire skillets or glissade sleds?
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RodF Member
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Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:46 am
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Native materials blend into the landscape much better, but in the early 1950s NPS did try installing corrugated aluminum sheet roofs on trail shelters to reduce maintenance. See Olympic NP Backcountry Historic Structures Report. Unfortunately, supported only by purlins, these roofs flexed enough under heavy winter snows that they leaked badly, and had to be replaced with cedar shakes.
Bear Camp Shelter on the Dosewallips River is a rare shelter, originally built with very low roof pitch (2.3/12) specifically for a metal roof. This pitch is too shallow for shakes to work. So when rehabilitating it last year, NPS had to decide between either raising the roof, or preserving the original design, and chose the latter. This required installing a tongue-and-groove decking to provide stable support for the new metal roof.
Note added: here's photos showing the new roof deck and roof.
Bear Camp Shelter (NPS photo) Bear Camp Shelter (NPS photo)
Credit for the restoration goes to NPS backcountry carpenter Jason Benson, Jeremiah Brown, Dave Myers, Pam Dopp and historical architect Ellen Gage.
"of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt" - John Muir
"the wild is not the opposite of cultivated. It is the opposite of the captivated” - Vandana Shiva
"of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt" - John Muir
"the wild is not the opposite of cultivated. It is the opposite of the captivated” - Vandana Shiva
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kiliki Member
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Thu Aug 22, 2013 4:02 pm
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Quote: | Sordid moroans from the city destroying forest shelters |
Careful with the assumptions.
I was talking to a collegue in Alaska today who manages historic structures for our national parks there. They are losing trail shelters and backcountry cabins (not just shakes) at an alarming rate to subsistence hunters, who tear the structures apart for firewood.
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RodF Member
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Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:02 pm
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charred remains of Falls Shelter
Here's the real threat to Wilderness trail shelters.
A year after Olympic Park Associates won it's lawsuit, preventing reconstruction of Home Sweet Home and Low Divide shelters in Olympic NP, Falls Shelter on the Gray Wolf River was targeted by an arsonist. At the same time, the arsonist also torched the privy, hidden about 50 yards away in the forest.
The court order to remove Green Mountain Lookout cites the shelter decision as precedent, and also now hampers maintenance of other historic structures in both USFS and NPS Wilderness areas.
The threat to shelters is the desire of some (such as Wilderness Watch, Olympic Park Associates, NCCC) to "rewild" Wilderness by destroying its history... whether through the courts (what career NPS Ranger Jack Nattinger called "legalized arson") or by more direct means... just plain old arson.
7/19/16 Note to Tim: I have never, here or elsewhere, accused you of arson. But if you choose to be offended, to quote Frank Herbert, “My son displays a general garment and you claim it’s cut to your fit? What a fascinating revelation.”
"of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt" - John Muir
"the wild is not the opposite of cultivated. It is the opposite of the captivated” - Vandana Shiva
"of all the paths you take in life, make sure a few of them are dirt" - John Muir
"the wild is not the opposite of cultivated. It is the opposite of the captivated” - Vandana Shiva
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