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[catwoman]

Dante - with response to your "4-wheelers are more open-minded"...... 4-wheelers are more open-minded about destructive activities because 4-wheeling is a destructive activity. That is, unless it's not just a joyride and it's meant to get you to to someplace that a regular vehicle can't get you to.

[MtnGoat]

yeah, that's it, they favor destruction while still others favor only their uses and cop an attitude that only they appreciate the finer things in all their glorious wisdom and to hell with anyone else because only their forms of recreation are valid. Give me a break.

[Dante]

It was sarcasm. I prefaced it with "Nice to know there's unanimity on these issues among one group of outdoor recreationists " I think there are open and closed minded people who participate in any activity you care to mention. I was teasing BPJ for presuming to speak for all 4x4 people.

[MCaver]

You've put an awful lot of words in Catwoman's mouth there, Chris. I don't see anything about what's valid, or saying "to hell with" anyone? She just made a statement about 4-wheelers and destructive attitudes, a little general maybe, but one I've found to be true in many cases. Give me a break.

[MtnGoat]

"You've put an awful lot of words in Catwoman's mouth there, Chris. I don't see anything about what's valid, or saying "to hell with" anyone?" please. the underlying assumption about "favoring destruction" *implicitly* comments on what is valid for recreation. I am not aware of anyone favoring destruction, even in 4x4 clubs, yet these comments are not qualified by the writer. "She just made a statement about 4-wheelers and destructive attitudes, a little general maybe, but one I've found to be true in many cases. Give me a break" Are you saying lock 'em out attitudes are not true in many cases with hikers? Are you trying to tell me the support for closing existing roads, so only certain uses are permitted while excluding other current users, isn't favoring only those uses of those in favor of closure? Of course it is. If one is going to write blanket statements about users they don't like, one should not be too surprised when it's turned around. *NO* one has a lock on legitimacy when it comes to recreation, no matter how satisfying it is to hoof it somewhere, someone else finds it just as satisfying to bounce along a jeep trail.

[Tom]

I personally think it's time for another one of them rain socials. Nothing like shooting the breeze around a campfire roasting hot dogs under a tarp in the rain. One of my fondest memories from 2001.

Polarbear caught without an MGD

[MtnGoat]

That's a good idea.

[Allison]

Tinkham Road. That's what I think. First weekend in October is looking promisiong.

[Backpacker Joe]

Yes that is a good idea, but it's gonna have to rain first! Isnt that great, it hasnt rained much this summer. Been a very good one that's for sure. I say that because I can remember summers that had three sunny days and rained the rest of the time. TB

[MtnGoat]

isn't it awful noisy along tinkham? I mean the other site isn't totally quiet, but I seem to remember Tinkham as pretty much a constant roar.

[Backpacker Joe]

I still like the north fork of the snoqualmie for a GTG! Somewhere along the river. That of the middle fork of the snoq... TB

[Allison]

I was wondering about noise along Tinkham, that's too bad cuz the spots look good. Well, it doesn't much matter where it is. If BPJ is going to be there you can bet that I will not. Maybe next time.

[Backpacker Joe]

Well then, that's to bad for you then isnt it Miss. Allison!?! I wouldnt have let YOU keep me from going. Oh tollerant one! Sure buddy! TB

[Backpacker Joe]

Nobody wins a fight Allison. I can be civil and polite to you if you can be to me. If you cant, then I wont! It's up to you to decide. We'll leave it up to this board to decide who they want at the GTG more, you or me. I wont have a problem if its you. I would prefer it be both of us, but if you cant do that then I'll leave it up to the board. TB