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PostFri Nov 22, 2002 12:11 pm 
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I've always loved the cover shot on this old USFS map of Glacier Peak. I wonder why they don't still use this shot? hehehehe  eek.gif

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PostFri Nov 22, 2002 12:46 pm 
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Kleet, If that drawing ain't Image Lake, I'm imagining something. Now you can't camp at that spot -- they've moved camps well away from the lake.
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PostFri Nov 22, 2002 4:05 pm 
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I suggest that Green Trails deletes trails from their maps either because the Forest Service asks them to remove them or they have a policy to only include trails that reflect the current status of formal Forest Service or National Park trail systems.  Most mapmaker want to provide useful information on maintained trails.  Overgrown and missing trails are not real popular with the typical hiking public. 

I recall sometime in the not too distant past that the Olympic National Park requested that either Green Trails or Custom Trail Map(?) remove some of the informal cross country routes or trails on their maps which the Park Service does not consider to be part of the formal trail network.

Don't throw out any of your old maps they can quite useful in determing the routes for old trails.  If you old maps and don't want them anymore please give them someone who will preserve them for future generations.

The same applies for web sites.  There once was a web site with information on abandoned trails in area west and north of Mt Rainier National Park (for example a historical route to Summit Lake).  The site is no longer available and I regret not saving a digital copy for future reference.
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PostFri Nov 22, 2002 7:41 pm 
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I may have posted this once before but will again.

Check out Early Washington Maps: A Digital Collection. Takes you to a search and there are a number of old Rainier maps with trails. Lots of goodies.

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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 2:25 am 
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Sweeeeeeet! biggrin.gif
I now have something do pour over for the next month.
Some day I'm gonna have to go pillage the UW library. tongue.gif

BTW - Speaking of maps, I discovered a few goodies in the King Co. Library system.  They've now got the National Geographic State Topo CDROM set for Oregon, and some of Maptech's products (I found one at Kirkland that covers roughly Whidbey Island to Twisp, no 3d option in this one though).

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PostMon Dec 02, 2002 11:45 pm 
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The vast majority of abandoned trails are due to lack of maintenance and/or destruction caused by to roadbuilding or resource extraction, particularly logging. In some cases they are combined with other trails, rerouted and/or renumbered. The FS used to maintain a large network of trails for firefighting, but they abandoned many of those years ago. I suspect the trails heading to the Canadian border (except PCT) are not high on the priority list since most of them aren't going to a popular destination.

BTW, here's a partial list of abandoned/unmaintained in the Okanogan NF (including the section of Mt Baker/Snoqualmie east of NCNP, which is administered by Okanogan). Quite a few of these are in the Pasayten Wilderness.

Milage added, per request [12/28]. Sorry it took longer than planned.
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Abernathy #527.4  [1.6]
Arralde Creek #592  [2.5]
Bald Mountain #572  [5]
Barron Creek #743  [12]
Beauty Creek #579  [2]
Beaver Creek #545  [8.5]
Black Lake Ridge #504.1  [3]
Blizzard Peak #569  [2]
Bluebuck Driveway #515  [6]
Border #461  [2.1]  (does go to the Canadian border)
Boulder Creek #747  [1]
Bryan Butte #418  [10]
Cabinet Creek #734  [4.3]
Cady Point #755.2  [3]
Cathedral Creek #563  [5]
Center Mountain Cutoff #752.3  [2]
Chuchu Trapper #482.1  [4.7]
Chuchuwanteen Lake #583  [1]
Crater #746 [0.7], #746.1 [1.7], #746.2 [1.4]
Dead Buck #593  [2]
Deer Park #594  [2]
Diamond Creek #574  [4]
Dog Creek #531  [8]
Dry Creek Pass #752.1  [.6]
Early Winters #522 (Only 4 miles remain, once went from Marblemount to Early Winters. Now it is SR 20. Remnants may be found along the hwy).
East Side Parks #495.1  [3]
Eightmile-Fool Hen Lake #532  [13]
Eightmile Ridge #523  [5.7]
Empire #735  [5.5]
Ferguson Lake #474  [15] (past #474.1 to the lake)
Foggy Pass #733  [.6]
Freezeout Lake #749.2  [3.7]
Frisco Mountain #732  [2.5]
Gabril #501  [3]
Gardner #530  [3]
Getaway Creek #588  [2]
Glory Lake #503.1  [2.7]
Goat Creek #511  [5]
Harrison Creek #454  [3.8] (does it have a ford?)
Haystack #596  [2.5]
Heather Lake #490  [1]
Hells Basin #738.1  [5]
Holdover #452  [3]
Holdover Drive #460  [8]
Hopkins Pass #744  [4]
Horseshoe Creek #507  [7]
Huckleberry #586  [3]
Johnny Creek #581  [6]
Kay Creek #564 [5] (in area of Thirtymile Fire)
Kid Creek #491.1  [5]
Klipchuck #486  [1.4]
Lake Hazard #488  [7.5]
Lake of the Pines #491  [5]
Lease Creek #470  [6.4]
Lesamiz #565  [2]
Lewis Lake #731  [1]
Little Boulder #528.2  [4]
Little Bridge Creek #403  [5.5] (logging)
Lodgepole Creek #485.2  [1.5]
Long Draw #340  [4]
Lost River #566  [4]
Lower Mill Creek #755.3  [1]
Lucky Jim #528.1  [6]
Lucky Pass #571  [5]
McKay Ridge #739  [3]
Milton Mountain #508  [9]
Mount Barney #517.1  [4.5]
Mountain Home #582  [1]
Ninetynine Basin #567  [3]
North Fork Wolf Creek #528  [13]
Oregon Creek #590  [3]
Pasayten #405  [25.5] (logging)
Pasayten Sheep Driveway [2.4] (remnants remain, no number)
Pass Butte #484.2  [6.5]
Pebble Creek #562  [14]
Pine Creek #466  [2]
Point Defiance #471  [8.2]
Preston Ridge #551  [5]
Ptarmigan Creek #587  [3.5]
Ptarmigan Ridge #455  [6]
Remmel Cutoff #494  [1.5]
Remmel Mountain [1] (unnumbered, lookout site access)
Robinson Business Loop #570  [.5]
Rock Pass #568  [3.5]
Roundup Creek #509  [11]
Route Creek #599  [3]
Scho Horse Pasture #597  [1]
Scramble Point #580  [5]
Setting Sun #513  [6]
Sheep Lake #547  [2]
Shull Creek #730  [20]
Silver Cabin #598  [3]
Silver Lake #498.1  [.3]
Skagit Peak #749.3  [1]
Smokey Mountain #499  [9]
Snagtooth Ridge #591  [2]
South Fork Boulder Creek  [4.5]
South Fork Slate Creek #595  [4]
South Fork War Creek #409  [4]
South Fork Wolf Creek #527.1  [2]
South Twentymile #372 [5.5],#512 [2.1]
Spotted Creek #525.1  [4]
Spratt Mountain #752.2  [3]
Squaw Creek #430  [4]
State Creek #487 [4.2] (lost to SR 20)
Sunshine Basin #578  [2]
Tamarack Peak #524  [.3]
Thirtymile #382  [3.5]
Thirtymile Creek #520  [5]
Three Mile Creek #748  [3.5]
Three Prong Creek #516  5.1]
Trail Creek #589 [2] (oh, the irony!)
Trout Creek #479  [4]
Twentymile Creek #521
Two Point Mountain [2] (old section of East Fork Pasayten River #451)
Vic Meadows #561.1 [4]
Virginia #527.3  [1.5]
West Fork Little Bridge Creek  [2.9]
Whistler Basin  [4.3]
Whistler Slide Chute #575  [2.5]
White Lake #485.1  [2]
Willow Creek #483  [2]
Windy Creek #489  [2.5]
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PostTue Dec 03, 2002 9:18 am 
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Rich:  Wow!  What a list of trails?!  Do you have a total mileage for the trails on this list?
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PostWed Dec 04, 2002 1:41 am 
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REJ wrote:
Rich:  Wow!  What a list of trails?!  Do you have a total mileage for the trails on this list?

I'll submit what I have soon. It's too late tonight. Much of this comes from an old Government database called TRIS.
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PostWed Dec 04, 2002 11:30 am 
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Maybe we should create an archive of old trails here at NWHikers.  cool.gif
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PostWed Dec 04, 2002 1:14 pm 
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Hoping to add that list to the Abandoned Trails site
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PostWed Dec 04, 2002 7:13 pm 
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I think it would be good to add the abandoned trails lists to the master links.
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PostWed Dec 04, 2002 7:46 pm 
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Nice list Rich.

One word stands out very big tho.

Partial,

as in meaning there's more?
Jeez, and that's only Okanogan NF?

You have one fine database.

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PostWed Dec 04, 2002 7:49 pm 
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Get this dudes.  There is a solid green trail on the Coleman Peak Green Trails map.  Guess what?  There was NEVER a trail there.  You gotta find out which one it was!  I found out the hard way!

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PostWed Dec 04, 2002 9:41 pm 
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polarbear wrote:
I think it would be good to add the abandoned trails lists to the master links.

If you're talking about the Abandoned Trails site it's been in the master list for quite some time.
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PostWed Dec 04, 2002 10:03 pm 
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Doh!  mad.gif
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