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PostWed Oct 04, 2006 2:41 pm 
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A few weeks ago, Super K and I were simtting on top of Tamanos Mountain. cool.gif   As we looked across at Mount Rainier we noticed that the upper part of Interglacier appeared to be baren dirt....with only a few very small patches of snow remaining.  I just read a trail report posted on WTA by Lone Cedar on Sept. 28th.  His photos shows a bare slope all the way to Camp Curtis.  Has anyone seen the Intergalcier disappear before?  It is a sad statement about global warming. shakehead.gif   But if Intergalcier is gone during the warm season, can it still be called a glacier?  confused.gif

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PostWed Oct 04, 2006 2:47 pm 
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I've thought about this a lot since Backpacker Joe and I rafted Hinman LAKE.  At about a mile long and a half mile wide, the lake is impressive, until you look up and realize the entire valley was mostly filled with ice when I was born 42 years ago...
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PostWed Oct 04, 2006 3:30 pm 
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Glacier NP has gome from something like 100 glaciers to just 5 in the last century.
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PostWed Oct 04, 2006 3:34 pm 
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I love glaciers, but I guess I'm not seeing this as a permanent thing, they've been receding for a long, long time and they'll be back, as the ice age cycles back around. It's very pretty, spectacular, and cool, and i'll miss them, but that's geology combined with climate... never static! The only constant is change, I've seen ice my kidlet will never see, and he'll paddle lakes that didn't exist when I was out scrambling.

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PostWed Oct 04, 2006 3:38 pm 
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Here is a photo of Emmons a week and a half ago--interglacier lower right center
View from east side.
View from east side.

This guy has been studying glaciers and has a lot of comparisons:
http://www.nichols.edu/departments/glacier/
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PostWed Oct 04, 2006 3:41 pm 
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cool site!

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PostWed Oct 04, 2006 3:55 pm 
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All the new "bare pavement" high on GP was supposedly a significant factor in why the heavy rainfall in October 2003 resulted in such a huge streamflow spike.

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PostWed Oct 04, 2006 4:45 pm 
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What disapearing glaciers?  I dont see any disapearing glaciers! doof.gif  uhh.gif  doof.gif

Sout Cascade Glacier and lake
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PostThu Oct 05, 2006 6:53 am 
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An interesting read... http://www.nichols.edu/departments/glacier/2006fieldseason.htm
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PostThu Oct 05, 2006 6:56 am 
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oops.. I see this address is already linked.
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PostThu Oct 05, 2006 10:22 am 
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MtnGoat wrote:
I love glaciers, but I guess I'm not seeing this as a permanent thing, they've been receding for a long, long time and they'll be back, as the ice age cycles back around. It's very pretty, spectacular, and cool, and i'll miss them, but that's geology combined with climate... never static! The only constant is change, I've seen ice my kidlet will never see, and he'll paddle lakes that didn't exist when I was out scrambling.

That it happens doesn't surprise or concern me as much as how fast it happens.  IIRC the 7.5 minute map with hinman on it was updated in 1964 - the year of my birth.  In "only" 42 years, it's gone from what you see on the map to nothing.
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PostThu Oct 05, 2006 2:49 pm 
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OK, so accepting the fact that the glaciers are disappearing until the next ice age or until the demise of the human creature....whichever comes first.....What will the names of such places be on the maps...... Formerly known as the Anderson Glacier....or maybe the Emmons Galcier (used to be)...or maybe in remeberance of the Sulfide Glacier?

I am not making light of the situation...it seems to me that the state of our glaceirs world wide is in a critical state. shakehead.gif

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PostThu Oct 05, 2006 6:47 pm 
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I've come to the conconclusion that humanity doesn't have the willpower to stop, or at least try to stop the global warming. As such, I have decided to stop worrying about it.
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PostThu Oct 05, 2006 6:56 pm 
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When Krakatoa went up it put more crap into the atmosphere than all the cars have/will forever!  And that was just one volcano. "Some" people are to damn certain of themselves that humans are the cause for this.  Cooling and warming trends have and do happen all the time on this rock.  We haven't had the technology to study this place long enough to be sure of any of this theory.  There are as many scientists who disagree in global warming as who agree with it.  Oh, and that hole in the ozone layer, it's repairing itself and shrinking.

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PostThu Oct 05, 2006 8:37 pm 
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Backpacker Joe wrote:
There are as many scientists who disagree in global warming as who agree with it.

A climate scientist I know said there is near complete consenus among peers that there is human caused global warming.  Your favorite media outlet may disagree.

Backpacker Joe wrote:

Oh, and that hole in the ozone layer, it's repairing itself and shrinking.

...thanks to the banning of CFC's 20 years ago.
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