[Mongo]

I think if you read the thread you will see that not all men have the same understanding. Maybe you object to the word "all". I think Mary-Lous question was rhetorical.

[Allison]

[Dante]

If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out? --Will Rogers (1879-1935)

[polarbear-]

Don't scratch your head while you are thinking. This makes people think you are not as smart or maybe aren't using Head and Shoulders.

[Go Jo]

In response to ML Then lets step it up, no complaints just undisputable effort. Call it out when you see it, "hey pay me I'm worth it" and "I know my sh*t so listen"! You are a perfect example, most of us would trust your gear recs over anyone elses because you are confident and experienced and you tell us that you are. It shows in how you present your posts and don't apologize for rocking the boat. When they say 'take it like a man' lets just go ahead and take it from them, the higher pay, the respect but let's share it too. No one wants to get somewhere in life and have someone say that they only made it because of their privilege as a male or their special status as a female. If someone tells you you're stupid and you disregard it then they may be wrong. If someone tells you that you're stupid and you believe it then they are right. If no one calls you stupid and you spend you're life thinking that they are then maybe you are paranoid?

[Dante]

[Allison]

I've been trying to get a new job for a couple of years. That said, it really shouldn't be necessary. I guess I need to remove my pink eyewear and just settle in to the fact that the world isn't ready for equality just yet.

[Dante]

[polarbear-]

If you know as much as the guy giving the orders, I'd think about trying to get a position similar to his where you work. You'd probably make better manager than him since you know how people don't like to be treated. Alot of places could use managers with better people skills. People skills...I'm not sure if I like that phrase. Alot of places could use better managers.

[Newt]

It's unfortunate that women get paid less for the same job a man does. It's also unfortunate that they pay more for the same goods just because they are for women. Lucky this isn't the 1800's Sometimes you need to really shine out in the crowd. Be noticed for what you do, how you do it and how you relate to co-workers. Boss's included. Sometimes attitude may go along way. Both positive or negative directions. I've worked with people and have people work for me that turned me off immediately because of a know-it-all attitude. Confidence is different. Display and use both but don't flaunt it. That applies to men and women. Knowledge, Finess, and Confidence will get you what you want eventually. You seem to know gear so why not try to move into that field? Men only think women are stupid or lesser when they let them. Men get intimidated by women who are their equal or better. If you try to show em up, then most likely problems will arise. Show yourself but don't force it down anyones throat. We all know better. Kinda like dumb blondes or men being couch spuds. Yup, we all know better. Best of luck on getting a new job. IMO NN

[Newt]

[treewalker]

As far as I know, there have been statistical analyses of wages and position titles which have debunked the idea that women earn less for the same work. For the same work, women earn within +-2% of what men do. The reason why women on the whole make 75% of what men do is that they have less education, less experience, and choose different types of work that are either less dangerous or require less technical skill. Another factor is that they are more likeyly to have taken an extended break in their career to start a family.

[Hopeless]

[Allison]

Josie, stop fooling around here. It's obvious from your accusations about it all being my fault that you are a man. NN, being an outspoken labor activist and leader certainly doesn't always put me on the top of the stack for promotions. It wasn't that sort of thing that prompted me to start this thread, it's the wholesale assumption by a complete stranger that a man is going to be smarter and/or more experienced than a woman. It's a pretty cold world to live in.

[Dante]

I was just giving BPJ an opening for a "Get Marylou a job" thread as payback for the "Get BPJ a girlfriend thread" He didn't bite. I think he's backpacking. Maybe we should have a poll to see how many men here assume a male stranger is going to be smarter and/or more experienced than a female stranger. We haven't had any polls in a while...