[Stefan]

MY RESPONSE IS IN THERE!!!!! REALLY! GUESS WHICH ONE!!!!

[kiliki]

[Tom]

The disabled? The elderly? You can't be serious. What is this, the AARP chapter of the ORV lobby?

[Backpacker Joe]

Every year the California 4wheel drive association takes disabled people on a Rubicon 4x4 trail run. This run is advertised in many offroad magazines and is a very popular and avent. TB

[Tom]

I'm envisioning the Beverly Hillbillies intro here with granny in the back of the vehicle in the rocking chair. Music

[lopper]

Yeah, man. Point me to Hester Lake!

steelwheel

[jenjen]

Ok, the middle fork road is not actually where I would take my quadraplegic cousin to see the woods. There are nicer places requiring 4 wheel drive. And I gotta say, my 85 year old grandpa isn't exactly champing at the bit to drive down a really rough road. That argument really doesn't make sense for that particular road. It might make sense other roads, but not the middle fork.

[touron]

The argument doesn't make alot of sense, but its hard to deny its logic. I still think we should stake a mine claim. With 700 members each individual only has to shoulder a pick maybe once every 10 years. With all the gold we find we can buy that small cabin at Monte Cristo and the other larger one on the Middle Fork.

[Slugman]

Hey, this same outrageous argument was recently used in a letter to the editor of the Times argueing against the creation of the Wild Sky Wilderness. Typical of an ultra-right crackpot, the writer claimed the wilderness backers were anti-old people, anti-handicapped, elitist pinkos. When are the good people of this state and this country going to throw off the yoke of neo-con tyranny, stupidity and arrogance and return this great nation to its core values of decency and respect? Next election, I hope!

[Backpacker Joe]

[-lol-]

[Slugman]

BPJ, that's nonsense. Wilderness is a tiny fraction our country, and last I checked, old people etc can still ride horses. No one is being shut out. I thought you were argueing lately about not paving roads, etc. So I guess wilderness that is accessible to you is enough. Why do make false claims of phony "bias"against anyone who doesn't agree with you? I notice also that you claim I am just as"evil" as a right-winger! Glad you admit that your side is full of hate! Up with wildsky, down with chickenhawks! (Not you, Joe).

[Allison]

[Captain Trips]

How about some levity after that last exchange. Peace, goodwill and civility should prevail during the holiday period, messrs Slugman and BPJ. Starjumper and I went up to the middle fork of the snoqualmie on Tuesday and certainly picked a rainy and misty day, a good day to test your rain gear and take mist and cloud pictures. W chose a trail not too far down the MF road and took off to the left, West? A lot of new construction on that trail, bridges and grated with gravel and graded for the gentleman hiker. It did intersect an old road, the CCC road ?, a couple of times and ended at a dirt road. I'm confident one here knows the name of this trail and perhaps the need for a cadillac trail at this location. Is this a trail to be used when and if the road is blocked ?

[Brian Curtis]

Arguments about wilderness and the MidFork road almost always seem to come down to human human access, on this board. Wilderness is not about recreation. I know people who cannot hike who still favor closing the road and creating Wild Sky. They are not trying to carve a hiking place out for themselves as elitist hikers. They can't hike. They love the wilderness and believe it should be protected. That's what seems to be so easily forgotten.