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Beavis
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Beavis
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 Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:15 pm |
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I like fires, see nothing wrong with them.
FIRE FIRE FIRE
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Lagerman
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Sun Sep 12, 2004 7:35 pm |
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| Starjumper wrote: | | I also don't like the idea of having my night vision blinded by a fire, where anyone or anything outside the ring of light can see you but you can't see them. |
Is that incase the indains raid camp?
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blue_tuberosa
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| Slugman wrote: | | I build about two fires a year, mainly at the beach where a driftwood bonfire seems somehow irresistable. The picture above is from Chambers lake car camping area just before the Snowgrass trailhead. I found a huge pile of wood there already, and it was cold, and I was listening to the World Series on the car radio, so I figured "Why not?" |
I'm with you here Slugman... every once in a while its a nice novelty... I've enjoyed one or two this year as well... however I never have one where it's prohibited.
Here is a nice story on the subject to share....
Yesterday I was up at Lake Ann (along w/ Dayhike Mike) and there were about 20 trees that were cut off 6 to 8 feet up from the ground. I saw them and thought... now why the hell would someone do THAT? Then I remembered a ranger friend of mine telling me about seeing the same thing at Lake Ann... it was because it was done by snowmobilers in the winter & the snow was 6-8' deep.
Lake Ann is not in the Wilderness and it probably will not be incorporated because of the high percentage of Wilderness that is already in the area, but it speaks to how areas can get trashed really quickly.
20 trees gone! I was pretty pissed off about it.
BT
Starjumper - I like to see animals and stars and stuff too. 
Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done.
- Justice Louis Brandeis
Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done.
- Justice Louis Brandeis
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pianodirt
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| blue_tuberosa wrote: | | Here is a nice story on the subject to share....
Yesterday I was up at Lake Ann (along w/ Dayhike Mike) and there were about 20 trees that were cut off 6 to 8 feet up from the ground. I saw them and thought... now why the hell would someone do THAT? Then I remembered a ranger friend of mine telling me about seeing the same thing at Lake Ann... it was because it was done by snowmobilers in the winter & the snow was 6-8' deep.
Lake Ann is not in the Wilderness and it probably will not be incorporated because of the high percentage of Wilderness that is already in the area, but it speaks to how areas can get trashed really quickly. |
I noticed a similar thing with the trees at Trout Lake (Foss Lakes), except the trees were cut off about 20 feet high. They didn't look like they were cut off by a saw, but looked more ripped off, like it was a natural cause. Anyone know what caused this to these trees at Trout Lake?
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Slugman
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Sun Sep 12, 2004 11:20 pm |
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The mothership dipped a bit too low when buzzing some hikers there.
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Damian
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Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:52 pm |
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Sounds like winter avalanche effects.
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evergreenhiker
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| Tom wrote: | Savor some fresh trout cooked via campfire and you will be converted.  |
Yep...nothing better then campfire trout. Grew up on those camping down by Mt. Adams at Trout Lake Creek.
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The alpine world is my church.
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dude
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Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:13 pm |
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| Backpacker Jose wrote: | | I wouldnt let any fire I made get beyond my control. That isnt a difficult task. It really isnt.
TB |
Don't you think everyone who's ever set a forest fire started out saying this?
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MtnGoat
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Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:51 am |
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wether they say it and wether they do it are two different things. wasn't one of the big fires in WA a couple years ago started by some idiot who left a still burning fire?
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Backpacker Joe
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| dude wrote: | | Backpacker Jose wrote: | | I wouldnt let any fire I made get beyond my control. That isnt a difficult task. It really isnt.
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Don't you think everyone who's ever set a forest fire started out saying this? |
No, that's ridiculous. In fact I'd be prepared to say that idiots that are responsible for campfire forest fires weren't mindful enough to even consider that. As if it's difficult to be responsible with your camp fire?!?!?!?!!?!?
TB
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
— Abraham Lincoln
"If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."
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jenjen
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:57 pm |
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There's a big difference between leaving a still-smoldering fire saying "it'll just go out on it's own", and knowing that your fire won't get out of control because you make darned sure it's completely out before you leave it.
I've come across more than one smoldering campfire while backpacking, and I just can't figure out why someone would just leave a burning fire. It doesn't take that long to stir some water and dirt into the coals and put it out.
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If life gives you melons - you might be dyslexic
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Slugman
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:28 pm |
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It is possible for a seemingly responsible person to spread a fire despite precautions. Fire can burn down into the ground unbeknownst to the people at hand, and defy normal attempts at extinguishing. Also, sparks can fly off and start a fire downwind, then that fire can spread beyond the person's ability to put it out on the spot. Those types of occurances are rare, but they do happen. Using pre-existing fire rings and avoiding fires during high wind conditions or ultra-dry conditions can alleviate those concerns. But some people think a fire is mandatory, and will have one unless it's impossible. They are the type to cause a fire despite otherwise normal precautions. There is no way to enforce proper judgement on people externally. The person on the spot is the only one who can do this. Just the fact that it's legal to have a fire at a certain time and place doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.
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MtnGoat
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:29 pm |
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i spent a good three hours at the icicle creek trout lake putting out some screwheads fire. it had burned into the duff and had spread above and below the surface for up to 8 feet in a couple places. glad i had my ice ax, i needed it for digging. did many, many trips to the shoreline and back with my cookpot and took a good chunk out of the middle of my day. bastards.
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock. - Will Rogers
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Jamin Smitchger
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When the fire is in the middle of a boulder field or there is nothing for it to burn, there is no reason why you you cannot just let it go out instead of pouring water on it. 
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marzsit
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:07 pm |
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i don't build fires where it's illegal, and if i do (which isn't very often..) i use established firepits or my own portable firepit (an old wok, or a steel gold pan balanced on 3 rocks)
there is no point in cutting trees for firewood, since green wood won't burn.. but motorheads wouldn't know that bit of information anyway....
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